Devblog: Spring Balance Update Incoming!

[Huren_Ogeko]

@Tipa_Riot

Generally not, but in this special occasion it was spot on! Dismissing a restriction to the number of Rorquals per belt because of the social aspect of mining, only makes sense if Mining = fleet of Rorquals. This is a goon‘s mindset.

The current game mechanics that date back to the original rorqual changes tends to lead people to this meta. So the way to solve that is to make it so that a massive fleet of rorqs is not better then a couple rorqs along side an army of hulks. So its not goons fault or even that of delve. They just happen to be good at using game mechanics to their benefit no matter what those mechanics happen to be.

As much as I am grr goons in game I have to give them props for being good at the game mechanics.

[Theodora_Castro]

Well the game is broken, and I really don’t think this is the fix but time will tell. This is all kneejerk reactions, and that’s ok. People should be able to feed back, share thoughts and concerns and bellyache a bit. I just really hope we don’t have to wait for 3 more years after this to CCP to get it right.

[Tipa_Riot]

@Huren_Ogeko

As much as I am grr goons in game I have to give them props fore being good at the game mechanics.

This we can agree on. They play the game how I would do, if I would be many.

[Drago_Shouna]

@Fjord_O_Neal

By reducing the mining ability you increase the amount of time it takes a Rorq to recoup it’s loses/potential loses. Already it can take weeks if not months of mining for a Rorq to mine enough to cover itself if it dies.

Basically I’m saying why would a person want to spend the months and months of training time to get into a Rorq and save up the months and months to buy a fully fit Rorq with drones only to risk a significant portion of that each time they go out?

Greed, nothing else. You saw the ISK being earned and you wanted some of it.

@Fjord_O_Neal

You need miners to fuel this type of game. You need to incentivize staring at rocks all day be it with relative safety or speed so the miners don’t have to sit around all day doing nothing and can go out and do something else.

No they don’t, the incentive is to become a miner, you either love it or hate it. If you don’t like mining don’t do it.

You can always go exploring or mission running to alleviate your boredom.

@Fjord_O_Neal

When you take away both you basically tell the PVE miners that their time/gameplay isn’t worth a damn, that you could care less about their enjoyment of the game.

They’re taking away nothing from mining, you can still do it. Stop thinking you’re entitled to just print ISK, go earn it.

BTW, I don’t think the changes go far enough as far as ISK printing is concerned…

[Maxim_Stones]

It was a good time. Now i look for a other game. by by

[Huren_Ogeko]

That’s what they all say

[Huren_Ogeko]

@Drago_Shouna

You need miners to fuel this type of game. You need to incentivize staring at rocks all day be it with relative safety or speed so the miners don’t have to sit around all day doing nothing and can go out and do something else.

No they don’t, the incentive is to become a miner, you either love it or hate it. If you don’t like mining don’t do it.

In a way a reduction to mining will make mining a little more profitable for those who still do it in terms of mineral costs. The easier it is the less you make per m3. So if this change reduces the amount of people willing to mine then it benefits all those who still choose to do it in the long term. Economics has a way of finding balance points like that. But I dont think the changes this spring will have a overly large impact on things in the short term.

[Dread_Saboteur]

Fighter changes should’ve been much higher.
Most of this stuff is tiny cautious number alterations which won’t change much in the mid to long run .
I’m disappointed and won’t be resubbing

[Fjord_O_Neal]

1 - Yes greed? How are you acting like that isn’t why play this game? To get more ISK or to get more Killmails or to fly better ships. It’s all to have more. If not, then you would just be flying around in a venture. Are you just flying around in a venture? If not then don’t get on a high horse.

2 - Yes they do need miners. All the ships in this game are built by players. All of the ore mined is by players. That is how CCP made this game. If they don’t have miners they don’t have people building for them and they’ll have to change the Meta of this game.

3 - When they reduce safety(reducing PANIC modules reliability and amount available to self rep and the ability to save excavators) and they reduce speed(how much excavators mine) they are taking away fromthose aspects so yes they are taking things away from miners.

I’m not entitled to print ISK, mining a Rorq is still boring from an actual game play dynamic and hard because you have to be alert to what’s going on.

[Huren_Ogeko]

@Fjord_O_Neal

1 - Yes greed? How are you acting like that isn’t why play this game? To get more ISK or to get more Killmails or to fly better ships. It’s all to have more.

eve is greed…nothing changes

@Fjord_O_Neal

2 - Yes they do need miners. All the ships in this game are built by players. All of the ore mined is by players. That is how CCP made this game. If they don’t have miners they don’t have people building for them and they’ll have to change the Meta of this game.

And there will still be miners, and if there are less then the ones who remain will make a little more for their time in the long term. Remember when people mined before rorqs even existed?

@Fjord_O_Neal

3 - When they reduce safety(reducing PANIC modules reliability and amount available to self rep and the ability to save excavators) and they reduce speed(how much excavators mine) they are taking away from those aspects so yes they are taking things away from miners.

Remember a time before excavators even existed? We did alright back then too. We will do fine in the future.

@Fjord_O_Neal

I’m not entitled to print ISK, mining a Rorq is still boring from an actual game play dynamic and hard because you have to be alert to what’s going on.

I never once thought rorq mining was the best isk printing method in the game. The MER will point to where the real isk is being printed now. People who mine now do so not only for profit but other overriding reasons. Some find it fun if you can believe that. I do it out of necessity but not really for reasons of isk income where there are far better ways to make isk right now.

[BruceLee_Xadi]

From what I read yes, thier damage application to smaller craft are being reduced.

[Fjord_O_Neal]

Yeah this was a reply to Drago’s post not you so it was taken a bit out of context.

All of the points above are from earlier posts in regards to a overall point so when taken as one offs like this the point they are making is reduced.

[Dread_Saboteur]

You got no idea how well fighters apply do you? That 15 and 30% does nothing

[kosmicheski]

@Le_Hiunguritza

Hulks do a way better job for mining moons than rorquals, especially if you have many rorquals competing for the same moon.

Tell it to goons when the jump 200 rorqs to mine out all the moon goo once every 35 days

@Le_Hiunguritza

a C5 wormhole dread pays itself in a few hours - no change
a carrier pays itself in about 10-20 hours - nerf so it can die faster, YEY…

the C5 wh is team play, where the 0.0 carriers are mostly bots, even supers …

@Le_Hiunguritza

a super carrier needs around 100-150 hours of ratting to pay itself - nerf it yeey!
a titan ( that isk printer everyone is blaming) needs well over 250-300 hours to recover not to mention hundreds of hours of grindings to get it.

Dude, a super this days goes for 14 bil and titan for 40 bil …
You think 100-300 hours is much? Try getting 100-120bil for titan with just 60-80 mil/h top income back in the tengu ratter days.

Also looks like you are old fashioned, the progression this days is covetor → rorq → carrier / super → titan …
0.0 eve is full of miners in Supers … They ether mine in there rorqs, or stay standby at the keepstart waiting for cyno.!
CCP wants people to get back to sub-capitals, well good luck as your player base skipped most of them already

[Le_Hiunguritza]

@Huren_Ogeko

You should be willing tor risk all of them…

Yes, I’m completely fine with that, but then make them cost way less and not bring boosted hulks and covetors to 70-80% of what a 10 bil ship can yield.

[Huren_Ogeko]

If the points dont stand on their own then the overall point is also diminished.

[Huren_Ogeko]

@Le_Hiunguritza

Yes, I’m completely fine with that, but then make them cost way less and not bring boosted hulks and covetors to 70-80% of what a 10 bil ship can yield.

They keep getting cheaper and cheaper. They used be over a billion isk now I think they seem to be like 800 mil now. But that is a good point. Maybe they should be cheaper if they will be less effective.

[BruceLee_Xadi]

So if less people are buying capitals what do you think that’s going to do to the market?

[Huren_Ogeko]

@BruceLee_Xadi

So if less people are buying capitals what do you think that’s going to do to the market?

that means less capitals selling and less capital needed to be built and less minerals needed so the nerf to rorqs seems to make sense now maybe they need to nerf mining even more. </sarcasm>

[Dread_Saboteur]

It changes nothing they’ll build more dreads now that fax RR is being nerfed and ofcourse titans