Devblog: Vexor Navy Issue and Alpha Clone Drone Skill Changes

If you do not know, what you talking about (wow skills / talents), better keep silent, because talent system had been changed just once. I do not see any add, but just new limitation of use. Spent money and how - it`s everyone’s choice, no mater - alpha, or omega, omega’s just pay more for same ■■■■, I’m sorry to say…
You have no freedom to change something, just pay more, and more, and more, and (sorry in advance) you are proud of it…
As I mentioned be4 - alpha’s and omega’s - both are customers, and both of them have SAME customer rights. If you imagine - you are special, because you pay more - LoL… You DO NOT. You are same customer, like any alpha, not more, and not less… CCP still promote eve as free to play. Fooling people, but once they have to pay for that. I would like to suggest them to check, how much Google, Facebook, and even Microsoft, did paid EU for breaking customer rights (not only, but still). dat may be bit expensive…

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This is especially true for Alpha characters, due to the 5M cap combined with caps to individual skills- e.g. Drone Interfacing, originally limited to lvl 4, soon to be reduced to lvl 3.

As one approaches the 5M Alpha SP cap, skills which would exceed the cap aren’t trainable- unless one buys Daily Alpha Injectors, currently 20plex in the New Eden Store, or variable isk market price at a trade hub. The skill books are also a cost factor.

Deciding whether to spend either real money or isk to skill up, and which skills are worth such expense given the caps described above is arguably more effort than skill selection for Omega characters, which involves just skill book expenditure and skill order prioritization.

CCP selling these Daily Alpha Injectors then making the skills for which customers bought them unavailable is bad business. If Alpha accounts are supposed to get new players into EVE, burning these people as part of the “new player experience” is a very strange welcome.

Making these affected skill points ‘re-allocateable’ would solve the issue.

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@Max- Let’s agree for the sake of argument that CCP created Alpha accounts to bring new players into EVE, with the intention these new players would love the game enough to upgrade to subscribing.

Also for the sake of argument, let’s agree the following is accurate:

Does it help CCP efforts at increasing the player base to potentially alienate people it wants to become subscribers by capricious, arbitrary actions and answering their complaints with, “read the EULA/TOS”?

Does it make sense for CCP to take the hard-line approach toward potential subscribers- in this case making unavailable skill points some may have payed for with Daily Alpha Injectors- vs. simply allowing affected players to re-allocate such skill points?

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If that’s CCP’s solution to the problem, it would have avoided all the salt if they’d just said so. :thinking:

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Не смотря на мразотные нововведения от сср, я не думаю что там работают идиоты,
они могут посмотреть логи, по которым будет видно какие кнопки и когда жмутся, если 100% всех кнопок жмётся с определённой периодичностью(что невозможно для человека), и игрок кучу часов подряд делает одно и то же, то очевидно, что это бот.

I cant speak for CCPs intentions. In my opinion the free alpha account is or was designed to get players to go omega. As it seems many stayed alpha they came up with alpha injectors to make something off the free loaders.

As far as some sort or reset or free offer from CCP to redistribute SP from the soon to be changed skills. Seems like more of an undertaking then it would be worth.

The real issue is the change itself and their reasons for it. They seem to know people are using VNI to bot, so I assume they have an idea of who those people are. Shouldn’t we be reading about bans instead?

Nerfing a ship seems the easy way to only temporarily fix the issue. If it even has any effect at all on botting.

I do indeed know of what I speak.

Why the ad hominem attacks? What is it to you?

My arguments are not aimed at you, and I really care not what you think. My arguments are aimed at the - quelle surprise, still deafeningly silent - CCP. They say they want a discussion, yet where are they?

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Indeed, I assume you cannot speak for CCP’s intentions. Your opinion may be wrong, given the entirety of changes that have been made towards a nominally free to play system with some revenue coming from alpha injectors and other microtransactions.

What alphas are clearly not, in CCP’s eyes, are free loaders. Otherwise why would they have firstly introduced them, then raised their access to skills and ships?

How do you know how much of an undertaking this would be? Who are you to say it is not worth it? Maybe, just maybe, a company that wanted to avoid driving away the very people from whom it wants to make money might well consider it a worthwhile undertaking, even if we set aside my contention that they are standing into legal danger.

Now, here you and I are in full agreement, 100%.

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So if CCP wants to “make something off the free loaders” Alpha accounts, does nullifying the effects of purchased Daily Alpha Injectors spur future sales of such products?

If CCP goals are to convince Alphas to subscribe, or failing that buy micro-transaction goods, how is it not worth the effort to keep the rubes happy?

If I think I’m being cheated, my response is to curtail future business with the party I think cheated me and to warn everyone who will listen not to fall for the cheater’s bait.

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I often see lawyer-threats on forums, I just want to know if you have the necessary qualifications to back them up ? (or if it’s just something you googled…)

IMO, the ad hominem attacks are the mark of the fan boy, and therefore immune to logic or rational discussion.

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I dont. Has CCP ever reset or redistributed SP? Do they even have programming to do such a thing outside of extractors/ injectors? If yes then it probably would be doable.

I sincerely wonder how many of these posts ignoring/misconstruing the seemingly simple logic of Alphas wanting the ability to reallocate skills bought with Daily Alpha Injectors are due to posters being intentionally obtuse vs. cognitively limited?

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ppssst They want you tooo bbuuyyyy extraaactors

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So, what CCP says?
If you have a headache, we cut your head.

FIND ANOTHER WAY TO FIGTH BOTS.

OR,
you can close all alpha clones and return to old days when we had to have a paid account to play EVE.

Not everyone is ratting in null sec.
Not everyone can buy (with money) every month the game time.
You know that many players are playing for months as alpha clones until they can buy the expensive plex needed for omega clone (and for less months as they played as alpha clones).
But they are still your customers even they don’t pay plex with real money.
Don’t throw them away.

I am strongly opposed to any change that reduces alpha clone skills as they are now.

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In a passionate heated discussion where both sides have strong but opposite feelings and opinions about some controversial topic - which side is “fanboy”?
Imo, ad hominem is a sign of immaturity and/or lack of arguments. Applies to both sides of argument.

Hmm, i dont know.
But if an Alpha only pays what… $5 in 6 months to a year and wants complain
vs
an Omega account that has paid upwards of $131…

The alpha can go suck it in my opinion until they want to contribute more. (and im talking about those that never have been or currently are Omega on any accounts)

Indeed- very fine people on both sides. :smirk:

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Well back around 2011-2012 the biggest complaints about those “Trying” the game out and backed by veterans views was the Trial ability limited at 2 weeks was way to short for such game with such intermixed complexities.
2013 they attempted to increase that time limit…and was still not enough, Veterans and the CSM claimed something else needed to be done.
Eventually the Alpha account was born and the old trial system done away with.

So in theory…a long term Alpha is meant to subscribe and not stay alpha forever.
One that does…is a freeloader.