Just for the record, not that it matters of course, I did a couple of the EC’s in an Orca.
Bc it amused me to do so.
I did them in an orca simply because of the disconnects as of late. I’m not about to come back to a pod where it’s undue because CCP thought it was a good idea to keep ships in space after a disconnect.
I’ve read of people doing them in an orcas.
The sites are quick enough to do that pure ehp allows you to run multiple sites even with low shield regen.
Yes, because being able to escape death by disconnecting your internet cable is a great idea…
They are much harder than pirate anoms, in DPS, in evasion, in EWAR, in speed.
You are confusing how difficult they are with how many people are not able to do them.
Source ? I’m pretty sure you completely misunderstood what I wrote.
Again, source ?
Sure they’re fast, but they are lower in dps and ewar than level4’s, epic arcs and escalations. And far quicker to run.
I remember you saying you generally made somewhere between 100-200mil running missions but you new people who did more than you. No link though.
You’ve sent me this link though where you claim isk/hour based on 3x scarlet missions and ‘rough’ numbers.
Verified isk/hour for solo mission running in hi-sec that I’ve seen for someone in a battleship was 60mil an hour.
That was a guy clocking in-clocking out over a period of a week, selling the loot and lp reward and screenshotting the wallet.
I haven’t seen higher than that. Until someone can reliably demonstrate otherwise, it’s what I’m sticking with.
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not than escalation in HS besides the ded5.
not than level 4s.
and even harder than the missions in the minmatar epic arc.
No you don’t.
It’s not ROUGH number, it’s exact number based on one experiment, that tells it’s possible to do that value.
If you had read the complete post, you’d realize the claim is much more than the 100-200M you talk about above.
That’s not source.
Then that’s your issue. The absence of proof is not the proof of the absence.
“I have seen proof of a thing, therefore proving that this thing is real”
“Maybe so but you have no proof of anything else so that ABSOLUTELY PROVES the imaginary thing I have made up is also real”
Erm… wut?
However…
The absence of direct proof when anecdotal evidence strongly supports that 60 Mil per hour figure as a reasonable figure…
Can actually be used as reasonable evidence the anecdotes are accurate, or at least accurate enough.
There is a reason it’s called anecdotal ‘evidence’ and is even used in courts.
Okay, since this argument of “You’re imagining it!” “No I’m not” never seems to end in topics about ECs, I’ll throw my hat into the ring. I have logged my ISK per run since November to calculate if the ISK/hr was worth it early on – and as a result, accidentally managed to keep a decent record of the changes to ECs through out various patches. All ISK values that follow includes full bounty, salvage, and loot sold at Jita prices. Values are also averaged between all runs in the sample.
Pre-November: Avg. 28 mil ISK per run (Sample size: 20)
November Nerf: Avg. 14 mil ISK per run (Sample size: 32)
Jan 23rd patch: Avg. 11 mil ISK per run (Sample size: 15)
This patch also increased respawn time from 1 min to 10 min
Please also note that the glut of certain previously rare modules, and Triglav salvage parts have also contributed heavily to the downwards trend in prices. So the drop in ISK per run isn’t entirely CCP alone.
It does not support. It just does “not contradict”. Your “strongly support” is subjective, therefore invalid.
Not i can’t be used to prove the anecdote represent anything more than themselves. The absence of the proof is never the proof of the absence. And the anecdotes ARE accurate - of themselves.
And that reason is, being anecdotal it only proves the existence.
So yes, just because you and him can’t find better than X, does not PROVES that nobody else can, NOR that the average value is lower than X.
All it proves is, it’s possible to do X
I knew someone who complained that anomalies in NS could only give 15M/h.
All he had was anecdotical evidences.
He was so self centered he did not believe other people could do more.
Well, he was an idiot.
2019 the year ccp tried to f*** over the player base. Every change since the beginning of 2019 hasn’t been aimed and rebalancing the game. It was a plan orchestrated by ccp to limit players ability to earn isk. Every ship “rebalanced” was a ship the pve community used to farm isk, ratters, mission runners, abyssal deadspace runners and over course the miners. Now on my main I have played for 15 years and to be honest I love the game, but I am becoming increasingly frustrated at the way ccp the owners or whoever it is that is leading this journey into madness. Today I ran 10 emerging conduits and I noticed even with the rng of the loot I was down around 40% and it took me a damn sight longer so, the added time and the loot nerf the only thing they have managed to achieve is control how much isk I make per hour. So why have they done this the EC’s aren’t any harder and no content surrounding them has changed, so what has then, again I say the players ability to earn isk. Well that’s just my bit I don’t usually comment here even on my main however, I felt I had too this time too many players are leaving this game even with the Chinese on board if they don’t see this soon this game will die. So my 10 paid accounts will go to and I really don’t want to see this happen. What’s worse any reason they usually give are just piss poor excuses rather than admit the truth that the company is trying to bilk us out of every last penny we have. I also understand that it is a business and as such they want to earn real world money for their investment but again I say in my opinion they are going about this all wrong. Anyway that’s my pennies worth for what is worth. Annoyed, but, still loving eve…………………………CCP, Developers, owners please sort your ■■■■ out.
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“Waaahhhh! I can’t farm PvE things in total safety while logged into a PvP game! Why is my privilege being reduced?!!?!?!!”
I only comment on my main. Bc not afraid of my opinion being disagreed with and having people not like me for it.
No u.
Lul.
Level 4 missions like assault do 1300dps. The epic arcs do more. I haven’t experienced anything like that in emergent conduits. And the solo fits posted by other players wouldn’t survive missions in the gallente epic arc.
https://www.eveworkbench.com/fitting/praxis/2dfa772f-154f-4cfb-45f4-08d736de2ed1
How much dps do they actually do?
Quick example:
PLUS since I made 3 scarlets and 3 zazz in this hour, that’s 3 * (8+20) = +84 M to +(3 * 9+22 =)93M in an hour. if the zazz can’t be sold that high I just skip it.
Rough numbers. Not actual market value achieved less taxes.
Then there is the lp reward… I usually make 100k LP for 100M raw isk so I made something like 84k LP (actually it’s a bit more). If you sell it directly you can make 2150 isk/lp right now, that is +182M isk . if you sell long term you can do (the actual average value on the previous day) 3100 isk/lp so +266M
total is between 354M and 447 M isk for a real hour of gameplay.
These are also rough numbers. Not actual value sold for less taxes. No travel time or anything.
There’s nothing exact or real about the numbers here. And that’s the problem with people talking about how much isk/hour they make. It’s guestimates based on ‘meh roughly this much for that. Roughly this much for those’.
Surely you’re the one taking issue here.
I didn’t start talking to you…
I use 60mil per hour as a bench mark because I’ve pretty much seen the breakdown of it happening. Not just numbers typed into a post.
Any chance to initial drops in rewards were due to loot losing value as supply increased?
There was a good reason for that though.
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lol. Only if you pull all the DPS on purpose. But max potential DPS is not a measure of difficulty when you can avoid it - because you can’t avoid the max DPS of the EC.
Especially since the rats are much faster, with more EWAR.
Which proves nothing. Nobody claimed that syndication was the standard for easy missions.
Yes, at the time I did it.
YES. FFS stop saying it’s before tax when it’s after tax. And no it’s a lower value estimate. The REAL numbers that I use are much higher.
travel time is included in the calculation.
You are so fuckng far from truth, it’s painful.
No it’s not.
I on purpose picked a value that was lower that average. I have programs that compute automatically the amount of LP and of ISK I did per session, and the value of LP to the DIRECT orders AFTER TAX.
Those numbers, I won’t give them. However I can give numbers that are actually below average, by using lower limit instead of real numbers : that’s called “being conservative”. And that’s those lower limits that I used in that post. Those numbers, prove that you can at least do as much as I say. It’s the same, they say nothing about higher numbers.
And it just means it’s POSSIBLE, not that more is NOT possible.
Your benchmark is only correct for YOUR examples.
It happens enough that people feel like bringing it up on eve survival though.
Check out the comments:
https://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=Assault4se&show_comments=3#comments
Wasn’t what we’re talking about here.
But have never been able to show it…
does not change a thing to what I wrote.
Yes it is. You said there are not difficult, the only way for your post to make sense in that context would be if syndication was itself “not difficult”.
never had to in the first place.
I just gave you an estimate of the LOWER value.
This estimate is LOWER than the real values. The only value that was exact, and not LOWER, was the one I picked from my wallet history.
Even the 3100 isk/LP long-term was lower. right now I can find LP offers at 3500isk/LP to DIRECT orders.
If you don’t realize how tuned down my numbers are, it means you just have no knowledge of the game and I don’t even have anything to say to you, you are just full of arrogance.
You can cry as much as you want. The FACT is , that you have no idea what is actually possible in HS.
Kinda does.
You say the dps of the mission doesn’t count if you don’t get full aggro. And yet the experience of players is that it’s not uncommon to get full aggro.
But that doesn’t count because it doesn’t happen to you and the world revolves around you right?
Syndication isn’t difficult. It just has much more threatening dps than EC’s. As does some level4 missions. And the e-war in missions can go beyond that of EC’s too.
Maybe not with the variety of EC’s. But then they weren’t meant to be really difficult. They are entry level content to trig stuffs. Which is why the rewards were pulled back.
Yeah. Everyone just ignores your numbers that’s all. They may as well say 500bil per hour.
Possible =/= typical.
Remember?
No.
Please read correctly and stick to what I actually say. Otherwise this is BS.
So now you need to spout nonsense too ? Well that only talks about you.
Since it has the highest non-avoidable DPS in the whole HS (besides sleeper caches), yes it is.
Syndication IS difficult. Try to do it without perfect skills, without a correct knowledge of the mission, and you lose your ship very fast. While most L4 missions can be done in a sniping ship, in this one you have BS running 1200 m/s so you can’t MJD out.
More stupid nonsense. Just because you don’t understand my post, does not mean you can say something stupid.
unrelated.
I was talking about average and you are talking about typical. Which makes no sense. Also you post just makes no sense, it’s a stupid affirmation that does not invalidate my quote by any mean.
Yeah that’s pretty much what you said.
What’s the difference?