We’re not children. We don’t need a hall monitor, we don’t need babysitters, we don’t need parental oversight because Timmy said a bad word.
If someone wants to throw a fit over being called something they don’t like, that’s their problem. Active harrassment is a different issue, but we should all be old enough to know how to deal with people being assholes. For god’s sake, the average age of the playerbase is like, 35-40.
Just post those messages from them on forums and on reddit so we can all shame them together. People will only stop when they know there is consequences and reputation is pretty big consequence.
It is equally incumbent upon people to look after themselves. As far as I’m concerned, I’m a character in the year 23,000. My real life has nothing to do with Eve. Some know I’m a guy in real life ( shock horror ) as it’s obvious from Discord…but that really is as far as it goes. If people want their real life protected they do have the option, and should use it, of not saying too much about it. That’s a lot easier than CCP having to pick up the pieces after some incident.
Doxing should be an instant IP ban imo. The rest of the stuff we can re-post their comment’s on public forums so that they loose reputation.
And posting comment’s from another player but editing it falsely could be suspend-able for a month maybe.
Worst Idea ever.
Have you seen eve players? I get called gay so much my character now permanently shows his chest so I can tell people they just got beaten by one.
With player tribunal you end up having echo chambers. Then people get removed for just smelling different. I do not get offended easily. It takes a lot but I draw the line at really inappropriate behavior. I will report people and have in the past, even in my own alliance. And I can guarantee CCP takes these things seriously and people have been warned or banned. At the end of the day not all report are ban worthy no matter how much you might dislike it, so I try to not waste CCP time and actually report the really bad stuff. Trust me I get a lot of hate for my role in destroying people sand castles in this game.
I try be realistic in these cases, I am being a snowflake for reporting it just because I did not like it, or is this something that actually needs to be put in check quickly. Normally in that case I report it.
EDIT: Unrelated
@Artemis_Swiftt Follow the rules of character bazaar and your post wont get locked. The rules are very clear, all chars for sale must be in an NPC corp. You cannot complain about people not following rules when you do not want to follow them.
Is there not a block button to stop harrasing?
I thought chest hair was manly thou, sounds like a paradox.
I think this is a great start and something that is much needed for EVE Online as a whole.
Over the past nearly two decades in-game and out of game technologies have increasingly blurred the lines as to what can be considered as in-game to many people. My suggestion is a clear and concise statement by CCP as to what constitutes “In-game” or “In-character”. Many players use things such as Twitter, Reddit, Discord, with their EVE character as their identity. It seems obvious but for example; people release declarations of war via Reddit, Is typing in chat the same as speaking in Discord?, Are some Tweets an extension of roleplaying?
What I am getting at is the possibility of anyone to use the excuse of, “I was just roleplaying.”, as a scapegoat for these behaviours we wish to stop. While it is seemingly accepted that “Everything you do in EVE is RP”, it precludes a player from consenting to RP or not. Whatever social contract exists for “Undocking is consent to PvP” it is, at least unclear, if that is the same for RP, and given that RP is more communication via language ie; behavioural, it should be made clear to the player whether or not they are apart of something that is RP. Furthermore, a rule set for RP from CCP may also benefit the player base. For example, there are player groups, (I don’t know the name/s), that will deny entry to players that aren’t white “because of RP”. (While this may be acceptable within the RP community, it may not be clear to a new-to-RP player. It is also a borderline behaviour that allows people to foster that type of belief, and while I agree that games are fantasy, I cannot help but wonder where exactly we draw the line and whether or not allowing these types of things in RP actually fosters those ideas/behaviours and emboldens players to take them outside of the game/RP.
Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, it takes more effort to report a player for language, harassment, racism, etc. than it does to report them for RMT (I will note it has been while since I have tried this and perhaps it has changed). We should be able to click/right-click a player’s name in chat and report them for such violations.
I know that many will disagree with me, especially regarding the RP stuff but I hope that we can all agree that having a more clearly defined rule set for things and easier reporting has a better chance of making the game better for everyone while also rooting out behaviours that should not be welcome anywhere.
Valomir Novastar
CEO and Founder of Vahalyr Mining
“Glory Through Honour”
Eve and Safe Space have always gone together… LOL
Honestly the safest thing to do here is leave all chat channels, block invites, and sit in your own corp and off any discords.
You know, a lot of the problems you bring up can be solved with a “block” button. And guess what! There’s already one.
Like, why do people take the authoritarian “I can chose to punish you if you say something I don’t like” road?
Exactly. If I had a dollar for every time someone said “that’s gay” or “what a fag” in TS, I wouldn’t have to work again. And as a gay woman, I don’t let that bother me. Because most of us grew up in the 80s-90s (00s for me), and that’s how people talked. Sure it wasn’t touchy-feely warm and snuggly ■■■■, but it didn’t get to you because you knew they weren’t talking about you. And if they WERE talking about you, ■■■■ those guys, ditch em and find another friend group.
A certain amount of toxicity exists within the game itself, and is a natural part of it. You’re not gonna have entire alliances brought down by one person and then the alliance owner just say ’ Oh…OK then…fair enough’. Hostility and skulduggery are a part of the game. And long may that continue. The problem arises when that spills out of the game…and given that CCP has no control over Reddit or Youtube or wherever, its hard to see how that can be prevented.
Likely they will just ban the remaining playerbase.
Not all harassment occurs in-game. Some cases have been reported on external services such as Discord, or even at real-life player events.
Okay, I’m repeating what I heard from a social psychologist, but apparently there is research to suggest that allowing sexist/racist/homophobic jokes/language (in workplaces, iirc) signals to the really bad actors that sexism/racism/homophobia is tolerated, which leads to more severe and frequent harassment from these guys. Conversely, taking a hard stance on this stuff signals to them that such behavior will not be tolerated, which results in less harassment.
Look, I’m not an expert on this stuff. But, I’m not so sure that telling people to HTFU when it comes hate speech is a wise policy for an organization to take.
And to Swift and company,
I have no idea what’s the best course of action, and do not envy anyone that has to deal with this crap. But I do appreciate you guys trying to address this stuff.
Playerbase doesnt know how and what to RP. For the most it is just great fun to win in PvP and to earn alot of ISK’s to convert em in Plex. Even the oldest player in Eve doesnt know the /me command that exists in game.
Ummm… it shouldn’t be hard to make sure real life threats aren’t made. You have access to all our chat logs. And the Evemails. Heck, IIRC even the alliance API sniffs our mails (so I guess if you wanted to share a not safe for work conversation with someone, better exchange contact information in game but then continue it through that channel rather than in game), so that’s something easy enough for you guys to have a record on. If some threat is issued, you can just look at the logs.
IMHO, anyone who threatens the real life safety of another EVE player should get the ban hammer. Permanently. Delete their account, delete ALL their accounts, ban them from applying for new accounts.
As someone who found out that former friends within EVE were conspiring to see if they could cause me to have a nervous breakdown I see this as a serious issue and would want anyone guilty of this behaviour banned - even if it turned out to be my closest friend in game.
I’m confused why you have to bring your 2 cents in here - You’re not forum staff, therefore dont act as such. Why are you bringing another unrelated topic here?
The thread is asking for suggestions, big or small, accept it for what it is and move on. Dont shoot people down, or ‘go for them with unrelated stuff’
You talk about ‘following rules’ but bringing other unrelated topics into another is also against those same forum rules… You make no sense.
I mean…there are places to start.
