Maybe the NPE should include a lesson on people typing ‘good fight !’ after a ship loss. People get taught everything except civility. A bit like real life driving lessons actually…I’m pretty sure road rage isn’t part of the curriculum.
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Hello
In this instance certainly you have a problem as discord plays a big part in the exchange of allegation and general conduct, however I was always a big supporter of the the policy of zero tolerance. Allegations can be difficult to handle as there can be occasions where its a case of your word against there’s etc etc etc.
Policies and documentation can often be navigated and danced around which is just going to make everyone’s life more difficult and a lot of words wasted.
Ultimately, if you have solid and verified evidence. Simple rule is to them from any association to CCP and remove their accounts. End of story.
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DUDE I freaking Wrote GF in local and the guy was like WTF is he saying, his friend had to explain to him in local what GF means.
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You wanted him to be your Girl Friend? 
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There’s also a big difference between a workplace where people interact in real life, and a game where you can outright block communication from someone. People definitely take it too far sometimes in the game. That’s where the moderation should be concentrated. Not on bad words tossed around in local.
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Only on tuesdays thou.
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The whole nature of EVE is abusive. There are places in EVE where the biggest fun people have is sitting outside a Career Mission station and ganking every new player that tries to come out and do a career mission. As far as I am concerned, anyone trying to gank a new player trying to just run a career mission should automatically self destruct. Let new players learn enough about the game to have a chance to survive.
And I have never seen a CCP blue ship show up at any gank anywhere. I am told it happens. But not anywhere I fly.
Personally, I have traded fire with too many people IRL. I refuse to do it in any game. But that is just my personal history and a choice I personally make. I have learned enough about EVE to find a quiet spot and have some fun that does not involve shooting at real people.
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While I appreciate CCP taking a stance on this, I echo what some others have said which is that the problem really escalates once the behavior transitions to 3rd party applications.
I was there the day some members of a prominent low sec alliance decided that after the usual virtual tea-bagging and harassments of telling us to all go delete our accounts after we lost a fight, they took to Discord to post pornography and rape jokes on a public channel. Maybe CCP could consider a joint enforcement with some of the more popular platforms.
Or, maybe, here’s an easy one. I can right click “report isk spammer” … why can’t I right click and ‘report harassment.’
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yeah
i agree with you
but good luck anyway …
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There’s a difference between a dedicated social conduct police force to combat jerks and recognizing that there is now a perceived and accepted baseline of racism, sexism and various other forms of intolerance that has become part of the culture of EVE Online that is no longer being viewed as acceptable just because “trash talk” and “elitism” and “I was just RP’ing the bad guy”
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Mhm, they shot at the new player till they say “Let me out you …!”
And then the new player get banned for using bad words?
It shouldnt happen like that.
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Sure - let me send it to you on my AOL - what’s your ICQ number? Oh wait, this isn’t 1997
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what is “salt farming”? is it allowed in eve? Is it just another name for griefing?
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If I click right on a player, in chat channel, then is there “Block” That doesnt work?
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A lot of people are probably unaware, but there’s actually about 35 systems, including starter systems, career agent systems, and SOE systems, where attacking noobs ( anyone under 30 days old ) is not permitted.
Enforcing that is another matter, as noobs are likely to be unaware that such protection even exists.
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Oh so CCP is realizing that the whole teenager-ish attitude of “Harden the F*** Up!” isn’t condusive to a real-world acceptable playerbase? Wow. Who would have seen that coming?
Eve has been the “adults only” MMO forever.
Combine that with the need of a good number of people in the world who crave interpersonal recognition and validation, who want to be Influencers, and you get a good number of players who act out on purpose to make people laugh, cry, remember them.
Oh and then combine that with the natural group propensity to escalate from occurrence to occurrence… and you get worse and worse events.
Until the basic “darkness” of Eve changes, you will attract and encourage “dark” players and behavior. It’s that simple. If the various player groups cannot police themselves and eject bad apples, CCP really doesn’t have much leeway given the burden of proof and literally lack of punishment options.
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But it does happen exactly like that. I introduced friends to EVE who had that exact experience. CCP took action against them when they were being harassed by others. My friends now play other games.
Ccp will often not police it even when direct evidence is available because they cannot internally verify who owns the account.
Hello @CCP_Swift ,
The fight against cyberbullying is a challenge. Committing to it, as announced today by CCP, is not only a guarantee of seriousness on the part of your company, it is also proof of courage.
Because to achieve your goals, you will have to review a number of important things:
1- review the way you could register all EvE Online users, even if it means having to ask current customers to please update their personal information accordingly; it is both additional implementation work at the level of your commercial databases, and information at the level of the player community that you will have to reassure, particularly in terms of GDPR on the European side;
2- review how you could categorize players to prevent certain unwanted behaviors from occurring; for this, several criteria can be taken into account, and on this point, I take the liberty of insisting, but excessively PLEXed players will never have the same in-game behavior as players addicted to respecting the rules of games of strategies; the former are simple arena players fond of fast PvP games, while the latter are much more calm and patient players who can devote hours of play to perfecting the best possible strategies; another criterion may also be the language since some players allow themselves to insult all those who do not speak English or dare to communicate useful links in languages other than Shakespeare’s language; another criterion may be age in the worst case; this categorization may give rise to the establishment of several separate servers;
3- review the way in which you could educate players: a) the victims first, who must learn to let go (don’t feed the troll), to temporarily disconnect from all their accounts, to gather the evidence present on their PC among their log files, then to tell you about it, b) witnesses also who must learn not to intervene online (this is precisely what all trolls are waiting for), to report any unwanted behavior, then to support the victims, and finally c) the culprits who, in addition to the sanctions that can be taken against them, must learn what the consequences of their actions are, to recognize their wrongdoing, then if possible to publicly apologize to the victims;
4- review the way you could act internally on the CCP side, vis-à-vis the victims on the one hand, then vis-à-vis the perpetrators of unwanted behavior…
Here is the ladle, the challenge that you should tackle in my opinion.
And take my word for it, it’s no cakewalk. Cyberbullying currently poisons all strata of the digital economy, and this too often because all companies have taken far too long to take concrete action; however, it is certainly not the warnings that are lacking on the scientific level; see for example this helpful reminder:
If it were up to me (but I’m not president of Humanity 3.0), it would be mandatory digital identity for everyone, without exception, and it would be over once and for all, all pseudonyms online! Take my word for it too, it would deter more than one…
So. Try To Fly Safe Again. Or Not.
Ully Loom
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