Why spend hours earning ISK when it is much more time efficient, if you earn more than 1$ an hour to buy plex unless you are a masochist?
pay2win
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I built both a Providence, an Orca, a Charon, and a ton of other ships, using a single indy character. The big ones took ages, built some components, others I bought for a lot cheaper than I could make and shipped them out of the dark corners of the Universe at ungodly hours. Cost me a lot less than buying the ships and it was fun, but its virtually impossible now. Even if you have the alts and are part of a big nullsec alliance, with access to the resources, the sheer investment in real time is ridiculous.
I see this argument a lot so Iâm going to comment on this.
Itâs a decent argument against grinding, but itâs not a compelling reason for buying PLEX to a lot of players. The masochists are not the silliest players in the MMO scene.
Many players donât want to âwinâ or progress through their credit cards. It makes everything within the game more trivial and it feels like a scam.
Why pay to the skip the game? Makes more sense to both skip the paying and the game. Even if they only wanted to skip the PvE and go for the PvP, it then makes sense to go looking for a game that only has PvP. Saves time and money.
An MMO with bad PvE is a bad game and even decent PvE on repeat becomes a chore, which means most or all MMOs are simply bad games.
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PVE in EVE is beyond boring. PvP is where the fun is.
Yes. EVE would be better, if it were not an MMO.
And how do you PvP alone? Punch yourself in the face?
Except for the blueballing, no shows, timers and in many cases being roflstomped in 9 nanoseconds
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The real time tactics genre would be the most logical choice for this game. Hypothetically, if a game designer were to design a new EVE game, without certain exploitive business considerations in mind, thatâs where theyâd probably arrive at.
RTT is multiplayer and thereâs more pros than cons compared to MMOs.
The interface can handle multiple ships per player, without resorting to third party applications and clumsy switches. You can easily have those huge, epic battles with hundreds or even thousands of spaceships, but without Tidi slowdowns, as advertised.
Nobody has to be a mere F1 monkey, because everyone on your team controls a whole wing.
Nobody has to mine or do PI, but you can still have ship design and army compositions, fleet budgets and clans. A Zkill board would still be great for keeping score and trying to second guess the opposing army composition.
Seriously, why is EVE even an MMO? Itâs all just subs and plex and fomo.
I get why some fantasy RPGs with players roleplaying their character may need to be persistent worlds, even with all the digital herpes that comes with playing an MMO, but EVE is abstract. Thereâs no playing house here.
Frankly I have never heard of Real time tactics games before. Could you link a game like that for others to learn?
I do agree with the points @Ramona_McCandless makes about pvp. I HATE NO SHOWS. As a former merc/station defender that was the worst. PVP has so many cons for me. I do like the arena PVP despite everyoneâs objections to that. Instant action I think appeals to me and a lot of others. Roaming NS fleets fulfill this also.
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You need to understand that you are playing the wrong game. I am not saying that I wouldnât like arena-style EVE PvP but that is not going to happen besides ocassional Proving Grounds events.
These posts âI want EVE to be a PVE only gameâ, âI want EVE to by arena-style PvP gameâ etc. are all nonsense. If you really wanted such game then you would playing it already, there are games offering that on the market and they are doing it better than EVE (ever would have). But you donât like those games do you? Ask yourself why is that and why would EVE be any different if it was rebranded/remade into such game. Answer is that it wouldnât, it would probably be even worse.
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1 is plenty. Multiple accounts is when you give into propaganda.
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Game is definitely playable with just 1 account. Except that no matter what you do, you are constantly thinking of âif I multiboxed and had (one) more accounts this would be much simpler/faster/safer/enjoyable/profitable/thrillingâ.
You can excuse it as you want, but EVE is horribly bland game which actually plays itself for most of the time. Everything is so damn slow and I canât see another reason for that being the case other than âso we sell them more PLEXes via multiboxing which we allowed and encouragedâ.
I mean okay, I suppose the original intent was perhaps so all these activities requires more than just 1 player and that is fine idea and I used to do it with friends back when I started and it was much more enjoyable, but the fact that multiboxing was slowly encouraged and became dominant playstyle along with much less (real) players playing the game since then effectively made all these activities multiboxing only.
Especially because many activities are gated behind other restrictions like timers, opportunity cost, risk from them being in ls/ns/wh only, random (escalations) and more and especially because even with one or two friends, it often still is super slow and boring.
There are activities that are bit more demanding on playerâs input, but essentially 90% of time we are staring at an (empty) screen where either nothing is happening or the game plays itself (ship mining, shooting npc sometimes (with drone boat)). In my opinion this is the main reason why EVE is nichĂ© game and will never be popular and why no âproplayersâ or âesportsâ can come from it. It really is boring and multiboxing is often a way how to cut the boredom at least a bit.
Also, when âeveryoneâ is multiboxing, then you (meaning globally) feel compelled to also multibox in order to keep up and being able to compete. This is of course just psychological and it doesnât exclude you being able to do that with just 1 account but yeah.
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I mean you are right yes, but I logicâed it out to my self that for every extra account you use the less skill you can apply per character and the more alts you add the more mundane and boring the task would have to be to manage all those accounts.
Luckily there are things in the game that if done well with one character can be sustaining enough in isk generation and also fun so that is enough for me tbh and anything that requires multiple people I would rather do with friends than with altâs.
You expect anyone to want to be friends with me??? 
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Donât see why not.
But you didnât see the bio posted about me. I beat baby seals with a club, drown kittens and butcher puppies just to begin with. I run over old ladies in their walkers, stomp on bunnies and fry chipmunks with a magnifying glass.
If this is the new generation, you can have them.
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Shame what did you do to these poor people kill their mining ship?
Naw, it was Goons. 