cause most games do
youre clear holding some hostilty against me just I ignore crisitm from you
EvE Online stands out. Itâs not like âmost gamesâ. We prefer it that way. Itâs where EvE players feel at home, because it of its freedom and because they donât feel their intelligence nor resilience is being insulted by handholding rules that can suffocate you. Not so hard to understand, is it ?
If you donât like the aspect of scamming to the point where it interferes with your appreciation of and fun in the game, âmost gamesâ will accommodate you. Just not this one. So please do not even try to push rules that serve your specific needs on us.
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I not trying to push you to acmadate my needs, my point is they should make it clear scams are allowed in game
no but it is never said but you should not have to do any serching such a thing should be very clear from the get go
There is a gaming news article about how a player got revenge on a corporation and stole gazillions of stuff from them. Itâs a very popular story in gaming.
Any casual search will get you to the story, plus other similar ones.
CCP doesnât make it a secret that anything goes in EvE. NaivetĂ© is not a recommended trait for New Eden.
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But why?
Others already made the point, you didnât do your research. Hereâs the official (!) webpage stating which scams are tolerated and which are not: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203218892-Scams
Ignorance is never an excuse, although it may carry unfortunate consequences. You implicitly accept those consequences. It comes with the freedom.
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CCP has added several features over the years to make it easier to avoid getting scammed, especially in contracts. I think they also removed some ways to scam altogether.
You should definitely check out the link in the above post. You can still get duped and you should always be careful who you choose to trust and why.
You can always trust me though. Send me any ISK and Iâll double it!
With the ease of $$ to PLEX to ISK, this is a very real concern to many people both veteran and newbro.
I agree that new players should be made more aware of scams early in the game, however itâs generally the people that benefit most from the scams, that oppose any sort of changes to that effect.
On one hand, once $$ becomes PLEX, itâs a digital currency, which according to CCP has no âreal world valueâ. However this isnât an economic issue, itâs an ethical issue.
While I donât think scams should be banned from the game, I do think there is a serious issue with the predatory practice of finding new players to scam AFTER theyâve purchased a significant amount of PLEX only to have it quickly scammed away. To the player, they very much feel like theyâve been scammed out of real world value.
Unfortunately, the RMT world thrives on these helpless victims, and they seem to be guided into a well placed meat grinder not long after purchasing a volume of PLEX worth exploiting.
If there were no way to exchange $$ to PLEX to ISK, then it would be far more reasonable, as the only thing being scammed is the time to earn the ISK. When thereâs a $$ amount, the argument can be made that someone is being scammed out of their money. At which point itâs CCPâs responsibility to do something about it. Unfortunately this has been an issue for years it seems, and no efforts have been made to curb the issue. In fact, design decisions over time seem to have only made it easier for people to be scammed out of real world value, under the argument that âPLEXâ has no monetary value, which is ethically incorrect.
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Why??
For the health of the game as a whole. Itâs one thing to lure new players to EVE with the promise of the âtrue sandboxâ we all inhabit.
Itâs an entirely different thing to lure new and unsuspecting players with the promise of âspend money for powerâ schemes that lead them to a false sense of security early in the game, only to be shattered by a scam after spending $100 in PLEX.
Thatâs a damn surefire way to make sure that new player NEVER plays again. Not only that, theyâll make sure to tell their friends not to either, and there goes another potential crop of new capsuleers. Permanently turned away from the game before even giving it a try.
On top of that, there are very nefarious ties between some of these high tier scammers, and potentially developers. This is not something that should be allowed to happen, and CCP should not be in the business of allowing scammers to scam people because it drives sales. Especially when they all believe theyâve been scammed out of real world value.
Thatâs not driving sales, thatâs milking new players for everything theyâre worth before casting them into the abyss, and maintaining a low population status quo that can be easily controlled and managed. In terms of gaming industry ethics, thatâs a COLOSSAL black mark. It really shows a level of greed that coincides with a complete lack of ethical empathy for the players of their own game.
Thatâs quite an accusation, do you have a source?
There are a number of sources.
Theyâre visible to those with eyes to see, ears to hear, and an open mind to consider the reality we live in.
Thatâs a no then?
Youâre the one making the accusation, its not up to other people to investigate if theyâre true.
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This is a rather pitiful attempt at twisting my words.
Tell me which side you support without telling me which side you support.
Iâm not twisting your words, iâm literally quoting you in both my posts.
I donât have particularly strong feelings either way about scamming in general, however if the accusation you made is actually true then that would be a very different matter, hence asking if you had any more information.
You made an accusation (potentially of quite serious misconduct), the burden of proof is on you, and all you can respond with is âdo your own researchâ, well thatâs me convinced 
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Well, ya know, there is the old saying â a fool and his money are soon parted '. Iâm not clear why anyone would be more trusting of some totally random stranger in Eve than they would in RL. If someone wants to sell the Eve equivalent of Brooklyn BridgeâŠI suspect the same person would buy it in Eve as would buy it in RL. A lot of these people are beyond being protectable.
The classic âdo your own researchâ line you get from a flat earther. âI have sources, many sources. Some people say the best sources, I know great sourcesâ
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Perhaps the real issue lies deeper: buying significant amounts of a virtual currency for real world cash without much thought. Some people shouldnât be trusted with cash. Some people canât be trusted to read a contract, or get themselves informed before they take the plunge. One could argue that such people are predisposed to getting scammed. EvE and its learning curve will deliver. Itâs one of the services the game community provides.
Scams occur most often via contracts. Those can be dangerous both to new and veteran players. The latest ânotoriousâ example was a contract scam that cost an entire AT team their prize ships.
It doesnât matter what originally paid for what I lost to a scam or a kill, my time or my money. I buy a service with $$, whether that service is game time or virtual currency. What I do with that service is up to me, and itâs not the service providerâs responsibility what I do with it. The provider delivered the service.
If I do stupid things like not read a contract closely, or pay attention to what is actually shown on the market interface, or get involved in a double-your-isk game, or think the next bigger ship will surely make me win the next fight, then those were my mistakes. Old wisdom states not to wash the dirty linen in public.
Ah yes, I see where youâre coming from. Never accept responsibility, put push the bs as far up as you possibly can to avoid some sense of responsibility. Good show.