I will give you the correct reply which I gave in the Hisec thread which was that Orca’s are mainly ganked in the pipes when used as transport ships. And that having a 3m3/s increase from what I was suggesting did not justify any decrease in EHP.
The 10 most recent selection is like the Hockey Stick graph used by Manning, meaningless.
I mentioned the list I had of people that were blown up by a bumper scam ganker because I had I think over 25 different characters that were on an email checking back on them so I used that to check if they were still playing and found that only 5 appeared to still be playing, so 80% loss and 53% seemed to stop immediately after being tricked. As that was a limited sample of people in a specific situation it was acceptable to say that there could be an issue there.
But the ganker community started yelling about the sample not being random and it was too small. When it was clear it was not random and it was small, it was just saying that there was an issue in terms of player loss.
After that I started going through the list that the guy had on a C&P thread and I was posting it in that thread but it got closed and as I went through that list I found that the percentage of lost players reduced which is what the gankers and myself expected.
I was going to keep doing it but as Falcon was so insistant on removing this whenever I posted anything on it I thought there was no point to continue. I later realised that this was during the period that they were in discussions over the sale so of course anything that highlighted such loss of players was a negative in terms of the sale.
In terms of Orca’s of course a number do get ganked in ice belts and key mining systems close to Jita and I said that in the hisec thread, but the majority get ganked in the pipes when people use them as transport ships.
PROTIP - I am talking about Orca ganks in hisec…, also the 99.99% comment was a joke to get you all salty and you did, so edgy and so predictable…
I refer to Orca losses in hisec because I was talking about hisec, I was also talking about ganks on Orcas as I was in an exchange with a ganker who was asking for a reduction in EHP to balance off against the increase in yield I suggested. Both Dom and this ganker either included Orca losses outside of hisec and from events other than ganks, you can’t make it up…
It is interesting to see some more Orca’s getting ganked outside of the pipes, I was aware of the conflict in Derelik but it seems to be heating up a bit.
I will analyse the hisec Orca gank losses. And I have no issue if hisec Orca ganks do end up being more frequent outside of the main pipes and I am wrong. My premise was at the end of the say that 3 m3/s was not worth a reduction in EHP and I stick to that comment. So enjoy my totally not bothered…
In before Dom declares everything I say is wrong because there is a change in Orca ganking numbers…
Have now gone through twenty plus pages of Orca losses looking at hisec losses and seeing if they were ganked or not and it does appear that over the last couple of months that more did in fact get ganked in belts and near moons then were ganked in the pipes which is a change to what I had noted before, previously the pipes saw more ganks.
I note that Australian Excellence is not as active as previously so that could have resulted in the change.
No big deal…, but you will run around beating your chest and declaring total victory over everything, enjoy
LMAO at the goal posts comment, in a thread about hisec and talking about ganks and talking to a ganker, ganker flunkies declare I was talking about nullsec and wars… OK right…
Your example of another argument you were in is irrelevant, but you were also wrong there (at least in the details of your claim). I’m not going to explain how/why, so feel free to declare you “win.” That said, I would advise that you avoid using statistics in your arguments, because your understanding of the subject is obviously very limited.
Also it’s obvious that your “99.99%” reference was not meant to be exact. Using such a high %, however, reveals that you think it’s the vast majority of the time. That’s what people mean when they randomly use a % that high without any actual evidence for such…
Even if you lower your claim to 80%, there is only a 0.6% chance that at least 6/10 randomly picked orca ganks would not be at gates. Do you think a food company waits for 100s of people to get sick before issuing a recall? (They don’t) Similarly, further sampling is not needed here to conclude that your claim was simply incorrect.
This is a carry on thread from a locked thread, which they got locked with personal attacks.
I am not declaring a win, in that thread I was suggesting a change from 100% mining drone yield to 120% because I was finding that my Skiff with a T1 strip miner and single T2 mining upgrade was out mining my Orca by what I thought was too great a margin. I did not detail my fit and training level from the start and I did not make a precise statement in terms of crystals for example which enabled the ganker to go for a win by opening tis thread. If you look above I state that if you go all out in terms of crystals then I am wrong. But in terms of what I was looking at I was correct.
So using the statement of a win is what these ganker flunkies are at not me, because it is all about personal attacks to discredit me. And I made it easier by not being precise from the start. So what!
That is a rather stupid statement, where have I done any statistical analysis here, I have not used a spreadsheet and done any such thing, my yield comment was based on observing what the difference was in terms of m3 and my comment about Orca ganks being mainly in the pipes was based on previous observation of Orca’s losses.
So to say I have no understanding of statistics is a bit odd when I have not done any statistical analysis at all.
My observation of Orca ganks in hisec was at around 80% as a view, and 99.99% was a joke, however since mid-January one of the most prolific gankers in hisec a certain Australian Excellence seems to be taking a break from the game. If you look at the late December and early January period you can see quite a few ganks in the pipes, but then it falls right off. As there are only really two to three very active freighter gankers and that he was always the most active. That has a significant impact and if you would be honest you would understand why my previous observation is incorrect if people look only at recent losses.
That is an irrelevant statement because in terms of medicine and food even one case of sickness or unexpected side effects can result in a recall. Also note that with the batch system they can be very effective in recalling defective products. The use of horse meat in beef products in Europe a couple of years ago showed how easily corrupt people could get around the system of ticking the boxes with no active verification in terms of ingredients and their mislabelling.
Yes, it is, and all it took from me was 10 seconds on zkillboard to find out.
But then again, were already used to you making claims without evidence, and in contradiction to actual evidence and facts.
Ah, of course. More “my experience” arguments.
Funny, you made it into a big deal. But thanks for the baseless accusations, care to refrain from doing so next time and seeing if your opponent is actually correct and that you had no argument to begin with?
Okay. I mean I read it, but you quoted someone else so I didnt think it was for me.
Also, I never called you names or did any personal attacks other than address your arguments, so again I didnt think this was aimed towards me. Although you seemed to keep wanting to call me or refer to me as “edgy” and kept making accusations that turned out to be completely false, while dismissing a lot of my arguments as simply “trolling”, even when I provided facts and evidence.
Also, i compiled a list of ganks from Dec 10 to Jan 10:
The M indicates non-stargate ganks, at moons or ore belts. The S indicates Stargates.
Although its not true that a few of these are not actually bottlenecks, im generous, so lets count those as included, thats 8 out of 23 ganks occurring at belts and moons. 65% of ganks in non-gate locations.
You say that 99.99% was a joke, but 35%, or even 20% of ganks occurring at moons and belts is a very large percentage.
Also, i like how you accuse me of trolling because of how i took an extreme example, while you use the “99.99%” figure and say “Hey i was joking”.
Notice how i didnt assume you were trolling, and simply took you seriously and took you for your word?
Notice how you didnt, and accused me of trolling?
Yeah bud, thats the difference between us. I will take you for your word and address your arguments head on. You will accuse others of trolling or being edgy to avoid addressing arguments that you know you will lose.
Right beside the Rorqual nerf that would put both ships back where they belong and that is supporting group efforts not being the go-to ship for mining.
The Edgy comment was referring to another player not you. Your posts actually have substance about them even when being disingenuous, as for the rest of your post I refer to my post above
