I thought he was describing himself.
In any case you can tell a man by the company he keeps and the people who have upvoted his comment are a religious fanatic in terms of acutely embarrassing James315 loving, role play drivel and the other is without any doubt the nuttiest person I have yet met in Eve, who really believes that carebears are fascists…
Galaxy plughole is in like-minded company. 
Yes. Killmails do not help people advance in the game. I guess they make some people smile and feel all good about their name being included on a killmail. Can I trade my killmails in for isk? Cause that would be nice. Then I could understand why so many love PvP.
For me, its ultra boring.
Pew pew is less than 5% of actual pvp. Which part you find boring? Research, theorycrafting, finding/ waiting for target, logistics (manufacturing, moving fits or caps), diplomacy (aka. deception and espionage)…? Not to mention there are things like metagame, market and yolo/ drunk pvp.
If you are mining, manufacturing, converting LP, trading or moving stuff I’d say you take part in pvp.
Gila.
I have played since 2006 and in no shape or form would I say I am elite! I know the game well and am involved in many areas , But to say you are elite in any given area is in your perception only!
Yes, ever MMO does. Heck, anything with a following does. I can’t even play new tabletop games anymore without running into elities who are idiots that you don’t know everything, have everything ever needed purchased and you know.
But yes, Eve has it bad too
I have very much enjoyed my experience, it is/was the best gaming experience of my life.
I still dream about what you, Roosterton, Demolishar, and myself could have achieved if only we had a similar mindset and were happy to work together. We would have been unstoppable and that is no exaggeration.
As you can see I am feeling nostalgia, I think you would still make a great alliance leader if you had more acceptance of the mechanics and you were more open to doing things the hard way or the only possible way.
In my opinion I have only met one true elitist and the funny thing is he has no name, you can’t find him on any zkillboard because he operates from the shadows and has over 20 different faces. He could be your corp mate or he could be your alliance leader, I refer to him as the man of many faces who has earned trillions from stealing from alliances, Stealing entire 30 strong capital fleets, receiving full payment for Titan class ships and then cyno jumping out with the said Titans.
I once caught wind of one of his long running cons to steal an alliances entire wealth and tried to extort money from him which failed because I had only talked to him briefly through a friend and I didn’t have the full details of his operation all I had was his Ip address on teamspeak which I was prepared to send to every alliance leader in the game if he had not complied with my request for 25 billion isk. In the end I backed out because an IP address is private data and I wanted to keep it real and 100% within Eve also I felt like I would have been cheating if I had done that.
So elitists do exist IMO, i suppose in any community you will have people pretending to be elite and the actual and real elites who are hidden.
Here are the issues that I have raised over the years:
Bumping in hisec is a mechanic I have an issue with, for solo freighter players the only option is to dock up and log off. There is no counter. The only real counter is about four to five people willing and able to gank the bumper, it happens very rarely due to a number of reasons.
Loot scooping via DST’s to avoid consequences.
Lack of real consequences to -10 level, I would like no access to hisec NPC stations.
Scam contracts to citadels, sorted by CCP.
Imbalance to mining ship tanks after destroyers were DPS buffed, sorted by CCP after two and a half years of lost subs by casual hisec players.
Blanket war decs, currently being looked at by CCP.
AFK cloaky camping, which is the one you seem to be basing that feeling on based on me deliberately allowing myself to be camped in 6Y-0TW. The Burn Eden AFK cloaky camping of us in Stain was sad because they were account sharing, something that I decided not to report. The issue that I saw with it was that it destroyed the commitment of lessor players to what we were doing.
I have seen the impact of AFK cloaky camping on players, I think it is pretty destructive to weak willed players.
At a personal level AFK cloaky camping never affected me, in fact I rather liked hunting them and baiting them. I would also do stuff when people tried camping me, after all I survived being dropped by Tek Enarthu, I am sure you remember him and he never came back after his failure.
In UF-KKH I setup with multiple warp in’s to each belt, I would pick an asteroid to warp to away from the rats and pulled them in the direction of a safe which I could warp to as soon as anyone uncloaked.
When ratting in X501-L I would switch systems when they dropped a camper in system after waiting ten minutes for him to go AFK, then after an hour or more they would come to the next system and repeat. Easy to deal with.
I repeat, I have no issue personally with it.
When PL was ineffectually camping Tactical Supremacy’s space in Catch I was making sure the ADM’s were kept up and I lost a Vexor, I had another nine, big deal. And I told them that. During that period I have a fair number of kills on AFK Cloaky campers.
And surely you remember me conditioning that one in 6Y-0TW to fix his MTU’s and catching him when he got complacent. Do you remember when we first turned up with SAS and I organised a hunter killer group of covert ops.
Do not fall into the trap like so many of the posters here that when I point out game issues that I am unable to deal with them myself.
For example bumping, I use a max skilled Impel DST with a deadspace fit and high grade slaves, with heat it is too much to gank. I never get myself into a position to have to use a freighter along the main pipes and am very able to hang tough and do things over time and with a lot of effort.
So when you say that I find it weird, can you tell me what gives you that impression?
I found your problem. You are flying an expensive ship without escort.
You are doing it wrong.
Then after doing it wrong you are being a sore loser.
AFK is not illegal in EVE. It just isn’t.
Cloaking is a supported game mechanic.
Pixel Fear is not supported and can’t be fixed.
Incorrect, I always used a scout/webber.
Incorrect I was doing it right.
I lost a thrasher once to Russian gankers when trying to blow them up, I have never lost anything else to a gank. The sore loser is not me.
Don’t think I ever said that, projecting is so sad mate.
Where did I ever say that cloaking is not a supported game mechanic?
Where did I ever say that in terms of my own game play.
Seriously mate, dumb is dumb…
I know you are more than capable of dealing with most game issues.
Obviously I am passionate about Stain so understand that I am talking from my perspective alone and not anyone else. I felt you gave up on Stain when you found carrier routes into Stain were gone, You didn’t seem to want or have motivation in using wormholes. when you lost enthusiasm for stain many people followed your lead. I was thinking that if you were more accepting of what was youd be more enthusiastic and people would follow you. I’m not sure if you properly noticed but many people were prepared to follow you.
Obviously Stain isnt the only area so I understand that it is not for everyone.
All I’m really saying here is chill out, try to look at your game as a role-play “The Space Adventures of Dracvlad” What ever it is you want to do in game go ahead and do it and give it your best for even with bad/wrong mechanics fun can still be had.
Yet you complain about ship bumping.
Yes, that is indeed where I did fail personally, but I did it for a while, I just found it so boring and tedious and hit and miss, it was after I kept getting WH systems which had so many sigs in, it just took forever.
OK thanks I now understand where you are coming from and it is totally valid, I did give up on Stain based on that. I appreciate your clarification here as I thought it was based on the AFK cloaky camping which was never an issue to me personally.
PS. I still have assets and jump clones in Stain, so can quite easily go there for fun
For valid game balance reasons.
I wouldn’t even say you failed. We have to acknowledge that you did assist me for a long time you listened and for a while we had some good pvp. For that you have my respect, you were very brave to come out of your comfort zone and the absolute truth is many people who try to wind you up here would in no way be prepared to come out of their comfort zone.
Perhaps my judgement of you is a little unfair, you responded to the call and did your best which is much more than most others did.
I’d genuinely like to thank you Dracvlad for being a good sport. salutes
Yup. The oldest, the better.
I dont know if old is exactly right on this aspect, Ive seen many good fleet commanders that have been very understanding that new people dont have everything.
The dashboard like zKillboard has its advantages and disadvantages. As an advantage - it is a statistically informative source of data, while as a disadvantage - it is a hyped object, over which many players are very focused to get more “green” stripes than “red” ones. Being a rookie pilot in a big fleet you can get more green stripes in one day than any solo flying veteran during a month. More red stripes doesn’t mean only that the pilot is a noob or whatever, it just means that he is playing a different game also, which can’t generate green stripes. If to talk about pure PVP, than I’ll be more concerned to be in a systems with a player with a lot of red and green stripes and solo kill ratio over 50% (not due to his ALTs) than with one with a green dashboard and gangs kill ratio over 90%. I can’t call players focused on the zKillboard bad, good, elitist or something else, even if they using smartbombs in fleet. More red or green stripes means that player is active, a learning process, mistakes and successful situations.
For example, I want to share few scenarios from my small zkillboard dashboard.
My first Alpha Probe was destroyed at Hagilur gate just because he was on Autopilot. I passed that system few minutes before that and nobody were there. I though, what can happen?
My second AFK Alpha Probe was destroyed because I warped at a safe spot in low-sec and, at that time, I was sure that those bookmarks are truly safe. Well, that way I found the existence of Combat Probes and that there can be somebody in the middle of nowhere also which can scan you down at that moment.
I lost like a bunch of expensive ships in PVE due to DC and low SP (by doing burner missions). I lost a couple of Worms by doing Burning Talos missions. So, there I found that a simple unlucky orbiting isn’t enough to survive, just because there is a point at which you have like zero angular velocity with one of three Taloses (which can 1 shot a Worm). So, that way I found - you can do burner Talos missions in a cheap Worm by navigating manually with max angular velocity relative to each of Taloses. My Internet speed is 100 Mb/s, but due to these random DCs, I’m not doing high-tier Abyssals or Null-sec roams in a T3 Cruiser and, just because of it, my zKillboard hasn’t respective “stripes”.
Finally, recently I got my last red zKillboard stripe in Fountain in an interesting scenario. Well, during my current nomadic trip across Fountain, I become somehow bored by scanning possible WHs and Relic Sites. Those current Fountain dwellers - Initiative Associates - new Initiative renters. System after system, as soon you jump into a system, like one or two VNI fly towards their docks. How much cost per system is Fountain renting - 3B or 5B ISK per month? Looks like half of those dwellers are refugees from upper Cloud Ring and Pure Blind/Fade systems since Summerset War and Snuff’s “Pure Blind” expansion. They are very painstaking with their renting activity - looks like it’s hard to afford renting and I found that not many Relic sites are available around.
I decided to move towards Aridia. Suddenly, I entered in a system with 2 foes in Local. Looks like that one in a VNI is an ALT to another one in an Astero, which scanned something. I decided to scan those signatures also and voila - two Relic Sites closely situated to each other. Well, that guy docked his VNI and began to hack the cans uncloaked. He was like “It’s mine!”. I decloaked at a spot not so far from the second Relic site and he didn’t reacted i no way. I warped there and began to MWD towards the farthwest can in that site with my Stiletto. As soon I did that, in a few seconds, he warped in also. So, I decided to kite around a bit. Hmmm? This guy must be from Gallente/Caldari FW operations and come here to make money or whatever. Because the “cone” D-scan mode is frequently well practiced by FW pilots to check plexes for possible targets. Soon after that, I warped away and left the system for two minutes and then come back again.
As you suppose, the VNI docked again and the guy sits in the first site. I warped towards the second site at 100 km and in two seconds, after I landed, the guy appeared there at 0km. Just imagine, he warped there forwardly to land at the same time as I did. That was the sign to get out of there, because this guy know what he is doing. Ahh, I remember my FW time with my ALT. But what I can do with my interceptor? I’m not flying armed exploration ships with EWAR systems and that Astero, if is blinged, he can tank like a beast, like a Cruiser. So, I decided to play a veeery risky game with this renter - to ninja relic cans - I decided to use my agile and fast interceptor, to jump from site to site by hacking a random can while he is in warp. I didn’t jetisioned my cargo at a safe spot by thinking “if this guy will catch me, than he deserves it”. But I did a mistake, - I didn’t took into consideration that the distance between sites is too small, his Astero is very agile also and he warped uncloaked which removes the 5 sec locking delay after decloaking. Therefore, I warped at a distance to the first site and cloaked by aligning towards the second one. He did the same thing and released his droners by flying in opposite direction, by showing that he has a bad align time and can’t warp until he will scoop the drones back. I decloaked and warped towards the second site and, as a second mistake, I choosed the same can as previously there by MWD towards the can. I was able to hack like 50% of the scheme and I saw a landing Astero on the grid. That was very fast, like 7 sec interval. I’m not sure, but I think he left his drones there to not waste time. Moreover, surprisingly he didn’t land at a beacon, which is 50km away, but at 15 km from me.
Just imagine! That dude made a bookmark near that can as soon he saw me there firstly, without any plans or escalating intentions that these kind of things can even happen! Well, my cloak was on CD (15 sec) and at that moment I was bumped by a can and wasn’t enable to warp fast in an opposite direction. I was like “Well done!”. He only scrambled my ship and began to shoot with Drones, as soon he noticed that my fit is without AB - he stopped for a while and brought the VNI for killmarks. Even loot “fairy said yes” and he got under 70M ISK, which costs as much as his Astero or VNI.
So, this is a short story behind that single red strip on zKillboard and, as I mentioned above, in solo scenarios these stories are much more bright and experienceful than in trivial fleets. But fleets have their stories no doubt. I don’t think that the actions to stack killborad points by any means is wrong thing, but in EVE it turns a lot of players from risky operations, from content scenarios, even bad content scenarios, because nobody want to lose anything and nobody wants to have a “red” dashboard which even doubles a passive activity.
BTW. I’m in Stain for over a week currently. In which system are you living, Aaron? I’m going to leave Stain soon, because I’m like tired with this mad exploration marathon here. So, I would like to visit the system of famous Aaron before that…
Good post, enjoyed the read.
At one point we lived in UF-KKH, but that system has been taken over by people from the first Hub Zero period and they gate camp the hell out of it, do not warp gate to gate in UF-KKH as they do smart bomb traps and be ready for sabres and fast tackle too.
I noticed that Aaron’s last loss mail was in F9SX-1 and the last time we interacted with each other it was in that area. I hope that helps.