He’s not pissing me off. Just like EVE is just a game, these forum are just forum and nothing more.
I do hope I’m not pissing him off. It’s just a back and forth that’ll end when he PvPs out of the thread 
If i had a like remaining to give i’d give you one for that post! Instead i will have to wait 7 hours.
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You’re good sport o7
And you may be right as far as running away not being PvP but I read on these here forum that even playing the market is PvP so I think PvP has a much broader sense than you realise.
Not only that, but since EVE is primarily a PvP game then anyone who logs in engages in PvP, even if he’s mining.
Except that’s not how it works in EVE, because the entire game is the boxing ring and the only way to leave it is to log off. Running away is not equivalent to leaving the boxing ring, it’s evading your opponent within the ring.
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Thank you for finding the words I couldn’t find to get my point across. That is exactly what I was trying to convey but my analogy was “uniquely bad”.
i’d say being docked up is the same net result as being logged off. It is functionally the same.
It is also a meaningless statement, because you have just effectively stated that logging onto the EvE server is an act of PvP in and of itself.
If you two keep broadening your definitions then i’ll be engaged in EvE PvP when i sleep tonight.
The actual fight is not really the essence of PvP in EVE. It’s just the culmination of an effort to trap someone in a situation where you have the upper hand. As I said before in this thread, if you find yourself in a fair fight, you ■■■■■■ up.
PvP in EVE has a very strong strategic component. It’s not about the actual fight. It’s about making your opponent commit to a fight because he/she assumes to have the upper hand, is oblivious to the real danger etc. The actual PvP in EVE happens before the fight.
If you don’t get that, then you will simply suck at EVE. And since you are crying that people “just dock up” it kinda looks like you are. It’s not their fault they dock up, they are not avoiding PvP. It was your job to make them not dock up or catch them before they do, you failed.
Crying about it will not make you better or change the game. Blaming your opponent for not running into your open blade will not make them do it.
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You too fail at comprehension, or are unable to follow the conversation thread. Reread the conversation again, and then comment.
In particular, try
Yes, Tactical movement is used in PvP… that’s why i stated:
Perhaps understand that the point Red-Sonja made that we are talking about is that ‘docking up when reds come into station is PvP’. That is what you are agreeing to.
I read the discussion. I saw that the whole pointless word games about “docking up is not PvP” stems from a complete lack of understanding how PvP in EVE works. Otherwise you wouldn’t even have this argument.
Seriously I’m just trying to help you. I have seen many players like you over the years fall in to the trap of arguing about “this isn’t really PvP”, instead of accepting the fact that PvP in EVE is very broad and very different to other games.
Other games make us think of PvP as matches in a certain place with certain rules where every side has a fair chance and is setup for a fight. We have none of that, so it’s completely pointless to limit the term PvP to a vague resemblance of such a setting that isn’t actually anything even remotely like it.
Is running away PvP? It’s absolutely part of it! You tried to catch a target that had you catchd it would probably had no chance of surviving the fight, so the correct tactic was to not get catchd. Even you showing up in their system and disrupting their operation is part of the PvP. They calling for help and dropping a fleet that makes you run away is part of PvP. Do you see what I mean? Non of that has anything to do with shooting lasers.
The pewpew part usually only comes into play when one side ■■■■■■ up and underestimated the other side or made some other strategic error. It is as I said often just the culmination of a conflict, but the outcome was decided a long time before the shooting started. But it doesn’t have to occur at all, and it is still Player vs. Player, fighting for control, resources and just messing with each other in various ways.
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You didn’t get caught, and so you successfully avoided PvP… i.e the PvP did not happen.
It does not matter how broadly you define PvP… docking up is still not going to be part of that definition
Lol, what a waste of time talking to you.
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If I’m successful at avoiding you blapping me then it’s good PvP on my part.
If you catch me diddling in space and blow up my ship then it’s good PvP on your part.
I don’t think he has the capacity to understand what we are saying.
But that’s fine. EVE is not for everyone
I think he has the capacity, he just has a warped understanding of PvP in EVE because it’s not like PvP in other games, like you so eloquently explained.
Simple minded people attach to simple thoughts.
It’s literally beyond his comprehension that “PvP” is not just “combat against players” …
… and that “combat against players” is a subset of “PvP”.
Many people, who get this wrong, also believe they’re “real PvPers” …
… exposing that their very real inadequacies aren’t just on the cognitive side of things.
No point in trying educating them …
… just keep suicide ganking them until they learn from experience.
Beat them into submission eh? 
I have to admit that I myself had a limited understanding of PvP before I started reading about EVE Online. Then I lurked these forum for a few months and got interested in playing.
It’s very exciting to think that I may get blapped anytime after I undock. Right now I’m the hunted but it won’t be this way all the time. I’m looking forward to being the hunter. Meanwhile I’ll live and learn.
Disclaimer:
To be fair, this post is assuming he/they’re actually “real PvPers” …
… but the assumption is fair …
… because that someone doesn’t understand that avoiding PvP has to also be PvP …
… because one avoids the interaction with another player which would happen if one didn’t.
It’s not actually complicated, he’s apparently just too simple minded.
It’s not about submission.
A society which fears pain is a society of loudmouths who don’t know their limits, because no one ever showed them.
They bark and bark and bark until you slap them, at which point they break apart and cry.
For adults that’s quite the late lesson. One should have learned it as a teenager.
That doesn’t really happen anymore nowadays, though,
because modern (western) society breeds bubble wrapped, emotionally immature weaklings.
Same’s valid for these guys. They think all high and mighty of themselves …
… but then you gank them once and they run to the forums crying like the bitches they actually are.
Imagine someone ganking their worthless candy asses all day.
Just think about how they’re going to react when that happens …
… and remember these guys think they’re “real PvPers” which equates “real men”.
Wannabes.
vOv
So true.
Naaah, they have Safe Spaces now because, y’know, “words hurt”
They’re not bred, they’re created by CPS comming down hard on parents for disciplining their kids and do so as if the parents were serial killers.
Well said !