Done with this!

True , RMT isn’t P2W

Simply stop it.

You’re making a fool out of yourself.

I’m not the one who is using their x’th character because the previous ones were laughed out of the forums.

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2 minutes isn’t exactly AKF mining.

Of course it is.

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No you are just the one who is beancounting to be right at any cost regradless if valid or not.

Your are incapable of accepting a truth that is against your believes even if it slaps you in the face.

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Wrong and Wrong.

High sec is not the newbie yard in some sword and spell MMO.

While the rules of HS may make the place seem Safer - no place is SAFE in EvE.

Use the tools available to you. Use the tanky miner if solo, or operate in a group.
And ALWAYS pay attention.

–Gadget just dinged

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No matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise. Buying PLEX for real $$ and converting it back to ingame ISK is pay2win.
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Yes, it most certainly is. A lot can happen in two minutes in EvE.

  1. Can I have your stuff?

  2. Don’t go afk in space, just dock up at a station or fit a cloak.

It is, if you consider getting ISK ‘winning’.

However, if you skip the rich variety of activities that interact with the EVE universe and it’s inhabitants to gain ISK and instead use real cash to skip straight to the part where you can lose big expensive ships, I would consider EVE a pay-to-lose-bigger game.

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Best part about Eve is it really isn’t Pay to win.

It’s pay to skip…

and In reality - it can very much be PAY TO LOSE lmao!

Someone buys a shiny ship for PvP and than loses it? It happens…

The real sad part here is that people like him REALLY believe it isn’t.

They are so used to this crap they don’t see it as any kind of ‘problem’ even if you try to explain it to him…

It’s useless to discuss with those people…

Citation needed.
EVE offline shows a clear rise from september/October last year. Clearly pre covid.

P2W is buying in game advantages that can not be attained in a reasonable way via other means. PLEX purchases to sell for isk are Pay for convenience. A very different thing that does not cause an imbalance in the game world as a whole. Just like buying the WoW max level character boost does not imbalance the game, it’s still the same as anyone else’s. There is not a secret 6th skill level unlockable by plex, that would be P2W.
You do not get to redefine terms to suit you.

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If you just add the following:
for real money
Then, you pretty much have the pay2win definition.

And yes, in EVE you can do just that.

No you can’t. You don’t get to redefine the term to what you want. It has to be advantages not reasonably obtainable via regular game play, aka gold ammo and the like. Since EVE does not have such things plex are not p2w and neither are skill injectors.

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Don’t people use real money to sub Omega accounts? Are they paying to win?

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Yes, you can!

I dont. It’s just what it is. Sorry.

You can try as much as you want. It is pay2win.
Every reasonable person will agree.

Are you also one of those, who thinks that lootboxes are “suprise mechanics”?

It’s pointless…
Think what you want. I say it’s pay2win.

Oh look. Your definition is not in the list.
The only relevant definition is 2. Which matches what I said.

So once again for the educated. EVE is not P2W.