In which way PVE is spoiled for 15 years compared with the status PVP has for 15 years?
I’m really curious about the answer 
You mean laughing about beeing absolutley sure about a dooming game if PVP in high would be banned because your fortune teller told you so?
Yes this is laughable for sure 
YEP…
PVE is surely spoiled in this game…
There is NO right for ganking someone.
And if you got your “ganking abilities!” taken away from you it’s just the right to do even if you cry and complain about it because the majority of modern players on the market wants it this way…
Just accept the fact that you have nothing to say if PA/CCP decides to do so…all you can do is leave in anger…
Bottom line
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You don’t understand how economy works, right? Have you checked the monthly economic reports? Currently too many assets are entering the game, while not enough are leaving. It’s unhealthy for the game.
Anyway, you are even more safe now than ever in highsec, since they are going to make wardecs only possible when you have structures. So why are you whining again? At this point, you have an almost safe highsec as long as you are not completely brain dead.
But I guess you want absolutely risk free space with 0% of losing anything?
I will accept that change, if you will accept only the current rookie systems be left highsec, while the rest of them will be turned low or null.
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Yes eve should be a PVE game with PVP in clearly bordered areas as most of the games on the market…
This is the status the market wants and this is the way CCP has to obey to.
Every other way of acting is simply illogical and can just be explained with stubborness.
A kind of stubborness that will be suicide…
The days of “Eve beeing special” are long done if they ever existed…
Maybe this was ok 2003 but today? Suicide…
You and others not wanting to change anything are an anachronismus, you have fallen out of time and it’s about mentioned time you step up to the current reality of mmogs…
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Ok, let us play your game of making eve a PvE game with clear instanced PvP (basically, just another themepark MMO).
Can you explain to me what interesting PvE mechanics eve can offer compared to the other competing products out there? Do you truly believe the current point-click-shoot mechanic is compelling enough to keep PvE’ers around, when they have so many better alternatives out there?
If PvE is what people want, then why do we always see a spike in player count when some huge battle happens? Why do we fondly remember PvP content produced by the likes of “Rooks and Kings”, while no one can even name a competent content creator for PvE?
I really have a hard time figuring out how eve PvE is supposed to compete with other themepark MMO’s out there in its current form.
I’m genuinely asking, since I obviously also want eve to develop into the its best form as it can be. However, personally what I find interesting about eve and what makes me stick around, is the asset destruction aspect of the game. Something there are few alternatives to on the market, which is why eve has a niche, but stable player base.
On the other hand, I find eve PvE to be extremely boring and simple. I only do it, so I can get isk to blow up. So when you say, that PvE should be the driving force behind attracting new players, and not the epic space battles, then I am curious on how you can defend that point of view with the current PvE mechanics.
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So in your eyes changing nothing because it would be hard to rebuild PVE to compete with other MMOg on the market and letting the game perish is better than changing the game for good?
I do not say it’s easy i say it’s necessary.
Same reason people brake on the freeway seeing an accident has happened : disaster watching
It has nothing to do with PVP itself
People have tried making pve content for Eve many times, but when doing it in high-sec you are immediately hunted down and exploded. Sort of defeats the act of making pve content when people introduce pvp into the mix, thats why you don’t see pve vids about Eve. Griefers ruin it every time.
You didn’t really answer my question with anything specific. How do you see EvE PvE changed enough to compete with other MMO’s? Do you think the current PvE mechanics are interesting enough to keep players interested? If not, what mechanics would you implement to make the game interesting PvE-wise?
As I see it, it would require a rewrite of the entire game. So basically, making a new game. Is that realistic at all? Not as I see it, so it is better to improve on what the current eve is about. Eve is a niche game and has always been. So instead of trying to chase well established themepark MMO’s with centuries of code, I think eve should double down on what makes eve unique, since there are no alternatives out there and thus secures some part of the market.
As for big space battles not attracting people because of PvP.
You say it has nothing to do with PvP. But it’s just an opinion, unless you can provide me with some data that proves that theory is correct.
My opinion is that people join eve because of the big space battles, with the wish to be in one of those. Then they figure out how much mind numbing PvE grinding the game starts you off with, which in turn makes them leave again.
Both are equally possible, since we don’t have access to any data that would provide us with an explanation.
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My point was more, why don’t the PvE community really have any known content creators out there? There are plenty of PvE videos, but you don’t really remember any of the creators, nor do one find the videos particularly interesting. You watch them, you figure out how to grind something. That’s it.
So it has nothing to do with griefers ruining everything, But more, that no one wants to watch someone mine rocks or shoot at red crosses for several hours. It’s really not that interesting. Which is again my whole point… PvE in its current form is not interesting enough to keep players engaged, while PvP is what people actually find interesting in eve, because of the stories it creates.
I do not agree with you.
And that is the hard part about having a discussion from two opposing camps. Obviously, no one is able to agree or even see the other sides perspective.
CCP is supposed to figure out what actually is objectively better for the game. Unfortunately, they have not been great at processing data nor always made the right choices on what features to spend dev time on. On eve vegas, they talked about getting better at assessing player data, so hopefully they understand they are pretty bad at it and learns from their mistakes.
Since we are opposing camps with opposing views, I can only argue for what I find to be true. And my opinion is, that eve PvE is boring, while PvP is the only aspect of eve that is exciting. Few games have asset destruction implemented as eve, and I believe that the reason we feel so strongly about our ships and losses, is because the game creates true demand and loss of items. This is what eve should reinforce and not the boring parts of it.
I mean, without the fear of losing assets, this thread would not exist.
The new activity tracker should shed some light on the situation. I am looking forward to the reems of data coming our way in the not to distant future. I have just one question though, If I were to livestream myself doing pve content from high-sec lets say mission running lvl 3’s for instance and on the stream it shows which system I am in how long in your opinion will I last before someone shows up to blast me into the next system?
Nobody will really care except you, the stream sniper and the maximum of 3 or 4 people watching them. Time? Could be days. I’ve streamed level 4 missions over weeks and never had an issue.
Also, what’s the problem anyway? If someone does come in the system is wrapped so tight in your favour that unless you’re a total dumbass nothing will happen to you.
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i think you will probably last longer than a PvP’er roaming around with the system visible. Personally, I don’t think eve is the best streaming game. Maybe a delay would be good, but honestly I have no streaming experience, so I don’t know.
If you don’t mission in anything blingy, then it still requires a lot of effort to go gang you just for a T1 cruiser running a lvl 3. There are many bigger and juicier fish out there to gank.
But give it a try, see what happens. I’d still say your biggest problem is viewer count. Watching lvl 3 missions getting run is really not that interesting, given what other streams are available.
Does twitch ban stream snipers?
No. They don’t do that in any game. Twitch have no affiliation to any of the games, also it would be very hard to detect stream sniping. People just live with it.
Yes Twitch do ban people for sniping by the looks of it.
“Any activity, such as cheating, hacking, botting, or tampering, that gives the account owner an unfair advantage in an online multiplayer game, is prohibited. This also includes exploiting another broadcaster’s live broadcast in order to harass them in-game, such as stream sniping”
Well, I stand corrected. Like I said, I have no streaming experience so what do I know.
I’m not sure if ganking would be categorized as “harassing”, since it is part of a legal game mechanic. I think what they hint at here, are people following streamers around and methodically attempting to sabotage their streams.
I’d still say just try it out and go do some streaming. If you get ganked, try to report it and see what happens.