Except that point is wrong. One of the things CCP has done right is precisely achieving a greater diversity of roles and hence specialisation of ships than there was before.
Not only is the game much better in that regard now, but one of the improvements has been precisely that now every ship has a purpose, unlike before when many ships were simply a less powerful variant of some other better ship and there was absolutely no point in flying them.
No, indeed, it was much worse before, when only a few ships were worth flying and you didnât have to think about making choices. That was âcookie cutter playâ.
I disagree. This game lacks real strength because of the lack of heavy diversity and a focus on centralised economy and profit cap.
One example is that it takes many many months to finish skilling for an Orca. And yet the return for using this vessel at all will leave you quite penniless. Notwithstanding that it took over 700 million isk to buy and fit and that it can only regain that income by using mining drones. The timescale for skilling mining drones to max level is phenomenal and yet the income they drive is the equivalent of venture mining as a rookie when you factor in the time and resources you have invested up till now.
Too much balance is therefore in my opinion bad for a game.
Eve Online has a reward system which is severely out of sync with the skill training time and expectations of player investment.
It was the perfect ship for me belt ratting in Stain until it got nerfed too much. I have about five sitting in my corp hanger, three are setup as tanky entosis ships and two are HAM fitted. The Drake Navy Issue is what the old drake is, but I never even bothered to get one.
When you look at the Leshak the low optimal and no fall off and spool up for damage makes these ships useful for certain things like structure bashes or taking on targets with large buffers and lots of remote reppers. I really like my Leshakâs, but I tried to run a level 4 with one and it was not fun at all.
Absolutely this, I do level 4âs in a Paladin for that very reason and the range in bastion is wonderful and not forgetting that e-war does not impact me, WTG as a mission boat. OH and the Paladin can be fitted with T2 stuff only and still be very effective.
I agree with this:
And this.
But I agree with this because I am training up a max skilled Orca pilot to work with a max skilled exhumer pilot and I find it really quite naff for the investment. I keep saying that the Orca needs a higher yield, but most of the plonkers are crying for it to be nerfed. In real world use it really does not mine well at all. While discussing this issue I did find out that because moon rocks are so big it is super efficient as a leave it next to the larget rock and go afk. But if they nerf it because of that they screw it for people like me who use it next to an exhumer in a belt with piddly small rocks, which is like balancing nullsec on the basis of the Goons.
So you start by complaining stuff is too balanced then refuse to pursue what helps to break that over abundance of balance. Have fun nerfing yourself I guess. Weird flex bro.
Orcas are not mining ships. They are mining fleet support ships. Buying them with the intent to use them to pay themselves off, rather than to boost a mining fleet to make it more efficient, is using it against itâs intended purpose.
All three sound pretty amazing to me. Glad Iâm already almost done training all of my triglavian skills up. Iâm curious if that ship with two disintegrator turrets at 1min 25sec in this video is the Ikitursa. If it is the DPS on that iki could be quite icky indeed.
I donât recall ever saying that they are a mining ship and not a mining support ship, I did however say that their yield was too low. Of course if you are multi-boxing more than two characters then it does not matter to you, but I stay with two characters in the main and it is not great. You could say and you would be right that I am asking for it to be buffed due to my own play, but I get a bit nervous that it will be nerfed because people use them to AFK moon mine in hisec.
@Natocha_Daisy, to be honest you should skill into them they are quite fun, I use the Leshak combined with a Nestor to kill FOBâs and I donât hold the hauler spawn in place so it can be a bit interesting⌠The Leshak rocks for this.
Wow interesting catch. Thatâs a Vedmak hull with two disintegration, but it doesnât match the Ikitursa concept art. There is clearly two orb hatches on the top of the ship in the video, so the design is very distinct. Maybe an upsized battleship big bother to look forward to?
To clearify Iâm disappointed on the Damavik T2 (Nergal) and Vedmak T2 (Ikitursa) âIt has bonuses to raise the maximum charge amount for Entropic Disintegrators.â bit. That either means it can hold more ammo, which isnât something anyone was asking for, or it can ramp up higher which again wasnât something that the ship needed. The increased resist profile and assault controls will of course lead me to flying them but that was expected.
If it can spool for longer itâll be largely useless as Damaviks and Vedmaks rarely see their cap. If it spools higher faster, its nice but a bonus to range, tracking, drone HP, smartbomb range (to actually be useful), etc would have been a lot nicer. Time will tell, hoping for the best.
Youâre a gentleman and a scholar. Incredibly underwhelmed, but at least good to know what itâll look like. Whomever though that bonus to ramp cap is what a frigate and cruiser needed needs to be slapped. In 95% of fights this HAC is going to have the exact same damage output as a regualr vedmak.
The power grid requirement change is interesting, but Iâm guessing the already tight fitting means that wonât mean much.
Youâre comparing an Orca with a Venture by looking at income only. Venture is purely a mining vessel, while the Orca is a mining vessel, a mining fleet booster that also can carry huge amounts of ore for the mining fleet, as well as more mining vessels. The Orca simply isnât meant to be purely for mining and as such itâs surprising that itâs a better miner than some ships intended purely for mining. You see only the mining yield of these two ships with completely different roles and call it âtoo much balancedâ.
It seems to me that instead of looking at the whole picture, you look at balance as a one-dimensional thing. Luckily EVE ships are not balanced in a one dimensional way. Ships of different roles have completely different strengths and weaknesses that all have their place. And even ships of the same role all are different in almost every single aspect, which makes optimising your choices a nice puzzle because there is never a ship that is the âbestâ at everything, but thereâs a lot of choices you can make for every situation. That is good balance in my opinion, it allows players to make their own choice instead of putting everyone into the same old [insert current flavour of the month overpowered ship] because itâs simply the best ship.
It seems you want to be able to jump in the âbestâ ship of the game, yet youâre disappointed to see that there isnât a âbest shipâ and youâre required to make a new choice for every activity. Sorry to disappoint, but if the Triglavian ships were considerably stronger than the rest of the ships in EVE, I and many others would consider their implementation a failure.
Right now Iâm like you: I refuse to skill for the triglavian ships. I have a different motivation though, I still have too many other things to skill for before I start glancing at these pretty nice looking new ships.
OP sounds like heâs looking at AT ships
Theyâre ships that have ridiculous stats
You want the DPS to break people rather than win by tanking better? An AT ship is what youâre looking for.
And to go even further, the pattern is even worse for carrier pilots. Why should I spend 5 bill buying and fitting a carrier only to end up pointing and clicking rats worth maximum 1 mil isk?
You know what? I did buy and fit a 4.5 bill nidhoggur, and I spent two hours doing just that. After which I docked it and havenât used it in over a year. Itâs somewhere in safety now and requires a huge fee for release.
