ALSO…
THANK YOU CCP for working on the characters’ portraits! Someone is working on the issue, I can tell.
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I mean you don’t really have to tell us that it is cheap ccp already told us that by making it so that you can’t extract the temp sp. This is already telling us that the amount of sp/value is much higher than market price.
Do not cast too much blame on Mike Azariah, I believe the CSM may agree and disagree on many different things but yet on finalized decisions they must remain in defense of them, rather than having division within CSM & CCP.
Although that makes sense, it also seems to perhaps make a farce out of the purpose of CSM to begin with, because rather than being free agents who can vie for what is believed the ultimate good, they are instead obligated to support decisions that they may or may not be in agreement of. Maybe my intuition is wrong here, but that is the feeling I get.
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Same.
Plus I have flat out heard at least one of them make statements to the effect that they are not necessarily listened to by CCP anyway. They have input, sure, but that doesn’t automatically mean anything comes from that input.
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Yes, A BIG PHAT THANK YOU! I finally look good.
I really appreciate that the issue with portraits is fixed now. At least it is for me.
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We don’t have to support anything. We can, and do, tell CCP they are making mistakes when we think they’re doing that.
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I find the prospects of you being CSM again as well as CCP taking you into serious account as being very slim if you were to challenge their decisions publically - perhaps even merely state that you are not in agreement with them.
Are you or are you not obligated to present yourselves as a united front in support of such things as this new announcement?
This is a solved problem, it’s called a respec, where you had to do a quest for the court wizard and he cast a spell on you letting you reshuffle your talent points. Way back when the gaming industry was in the business of making enjoyable games instead of being the virtual equivalents of back alley grifters.
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This company accused me of lying, banned me, then realized they had no evidence and were wrong, apologized and reinstated me. I have zero reason to support anything they do, and I am about as 100% objective as anybody you will find on the CSM.
When I support something, I say so. When I oppose something, I say so. I have routinely criticized scarcity and a variety of game changes they’ve decided to put through, and I do it on the most watched EVE twitch stream.
We do not have to support anything they do.
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How far down the skill tree will an “expert” go?
Take mining. Are we talking about an Expert Ore Miner? Ice? Gas? Tech 2?
I see you making this into tiers. That’s good. It’s going to be advantageous for you to have multiple price points so you can reach the largest market.
I also see an advantage where someone tries a profession they thought they would like and realize it’s not for them. This frees up server resources for players willing to take the time to train the skills leaving the dedicated population.
Overall it’s good to see you innovating.
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No, there is no obligation for us to be their . . . what is the term . . . hype men.
You ask my opinion? I give it, same goes for CCP
If they make a decision about the game it is theirs to make. Me, I then come to the forums and see what the response is, answer questions, and give a different viewpoint from that which some of you have.
Oh and people who think that CCP ignores @Brisc_Rubal ? No. They do not. They know better (now)
But that takes from the point in this thread. Aside from them being occasionally free and the suggestion of them being a reward at the end of career sets . . . are there any other uses and abuses you guys can foresee?
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I understand. If you are telling the truth, then perhaps I am wrong. I suppose no matter what, we all want whatever comes next to do us all good, and no harm. So, although I foresee this as a bad system - we cannot but hope for good to come of it, if it must come.
You are always such a well spoken and respecful smart ass, Mike. I always liked you for that. Hah!
Perhaps I am being rash, a doomer and too presumptuous. I often see the worst, so I speak in terms of “what could go wrong”. Maybe this system won’t be the end of the world, maybe it will be great? I do not know, but I am willing to find out. Though I feel it won’t work very well.
I appreciate you two taking the time to read my babble and respond respectfully. I cast wide nets and accuse quite heavily, sometimes I am correct - sometimes the fool. I hope I am a fool.
Either way, good chat.
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The last thing we want to do is start comparing anything with EVE with a theme park. World of Warcraft is a theme park. Most traditional MMOs are a theme park. EVE is not a theme park, it’s supposed to be a sand box. I think Expert Systems continue to set a bad precedent for the type of gamer CCP is trying to attract and retain.
I believe that’s a real problem but why this as one of the first parts of the solution? Why not start all characters with these lower level skills already in the skill queue (in the case of the magic 14)? Why not have premade skill plans and all all the new character has to do is click “I want to explore” and it fills the queue up with skills they’ll need? Microtransactions feel disingenuous at this point because I feel like there are design changes that should come first.
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The problem with the first part of the idea is if they preload the magic 14 then there will be the ‘new 14’ or other next to get skills. And, given that alphas have that pesky skill queue limit you could not load all the skills in a single shot.
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I do not understand why the analogy I chose to use about jumping a line matters to you guys so much. If you don’t like the Disneyworld analogy, then substitute a nightclub where you can get in sooner if you pay something.
The point is that this isn’t anything unique or different, and all its letting you do is to get something you’d get eventually a little faster. That’s it.
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This is the newest mechanism to allow new players to gain something easily and quickly (and often with money involved) that veterans had to do much more, or wait much longer, to achieve.
And that’s fine. EVE is a very old game and we need constant skill inflation so that the newest generation of players can achieve things always a bit more quickly than the previous one. Because nobody wants to be the perpetual newbie catching up to players who were here ten years before them.
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I find this obsession with " You’re lying until I see proof " so insulting in this context. Maybe it’s just me.
Saying to a CSM " if you are telling the truth…" don’t you see how that can be insulting to someone? Someone who’s volunteering to be the middle man between a corporation and it’s customers… I’m not jumping on you so don’t take it the wrong way but I think a little respect towards CSM would be nice. This whole thread is so aggressive, and for what? Something that most of the posters here are never going to use.
Let’s see how it goes before jumping to conclusions.
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I’ll admit it could be envy. I always secretly hated those kids at theme parks.
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Some smart-ass started this whole "EVE becoming a theme park " quite a while ago and it stuck… and he had to mention Disneyland 
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