Ok, so instead of a 100% automated system, now it’s ‘have one of the auth team in comms when you sign up for web services. When the system tries to query ESI, you tell them the code that was sent to your phone, and it’s all good’.
More pointless complexity that neither fixes anything, nor offers anything.
A bit like these forums…
@Brisc_Rubal I may have missed this CCP post, but I don’t recall them ever announcing any goals behind this drama. And that is the problem right there. They screw everyone, but dont provide any valid explanation, nor even an “We are sorry to have screwed you all”. And they are definitely not on here defending their bs nor explaining how they are going to make it up to pilots
@Brisc_Rubal Changes that make sense. Not changes that screws the game and the majority of the pilots.
@Brisc_Rubal They can post wherever they want, including on each other facebook wall (to be polite). Dont care from the moment they provide the same damn info or at the very least a direct link to that info on official forums. Just one example. Those stats @CCP_Larrikin posted on reddit, he should have posted the direct link out here or copied and pasted the info. And not wait for a CSM to share a link and for a player (me) to copy and paste the info. Between Steve and myself, it took us less than 1 minute to actually do that…And if you are going to have official forums, you better use them…
… of course doing this would be against the EULA and a bannable offense like account sharing. So no org can afford to request that.
Suggesting to add a “Glossary” of terms and abbreviations that are used.
It’s not against the EULA, no. You’re not giving anyone access to your account, you’re only giving them access to the ESI data—which is exactly what the ESI data is for. so now you’re introducing changes to the EULA as well, and largely invalidating ESI.
Do you seriously not see how this is a ridiculous amount of headache just to pursue your crusade against large organizations existing? All this work, just to try to force people to not assemble in groups larger than Dunbar’s number.
This is very important.
BO was discussed a lot… I have experience of mentioning or talking about it maybe two times long ago.
So did anti-missol lazors, just 'cause anti missol… missols are kinda stoopid when having lazor tech.
Many things were discussed. That doesn’t make them valid, viable or good.
Thanks Steve for clearing that part. I think it’s crucial for people to understand where stuff comes and doesn’t emanate from.
This is a fundamental reason that discourages me from voicing my opinion, sometimes there is information out there, shared by a few on some social media channel which are considered fact.
Most " fact checks" refer to those channels and one cannot be in all of them. So who knows when who said what shouldn’t be allover the place.
ON ZE OTZER HAND…
Well, CSM, CCP, their fanbois, gruppies & Co. are quite reactive on the usual “damage control” on reddit, discord, tweeter, etc.
Which questions the validity of having the forums as official channel for discussing in game stuff.
I don’t think CSM and/or some levels from CCP should be allowed outside official forums.
The problem is that until CSM and CCP become more forthcoming with facts, numbers, goals and details, no one knows anything. We as a community shouldnt have to “pull teeth out” from CSM and CCP to get accurate and timely information, which is what is basically going on this thread…To be fair, more from CCP than CSM, but same fight…
And it is up to CCP to be on here defending their crap and providing explanations. But looks like CCP is lacking balls to do anything but hide behind CSM behind
I don’t see work, I’m just posting ideas in the forum … like you. 
And actually the idea to limit access of third parties to critical information in order to force personal trust among the members of a group is not mine, CCP came up with this first (don’t remember who, maybe Hilmar himself).
I don’t work for CCP. They don’t get to tell me, outside of the NDA and EULA (covering this forum), what I can and can’t say, and where I can and can’t say it.
There are people who will not talk on these forums. Am I supposed to ignore them?
Once again, do I have to point out that the CSM cannot reveal anything? That that’s the point of the NDA? Is this hard to understand?
He’s right @Ikki_Phoenix some figures CCP cannot unveil because other game competitions are also watching the forums. Eve online has been a source of intel for a lot more people than those who currently care for the game.
Oh ma bad maestro, I was just shaking the tree for more apples 
nothing personal.
Maybe I find it peanuts cause where I am in the game now. And maybe it needs another boost. Young ones are okay with such amount, but working adults might find it ridicule. The more ISK one has early on, the more this could empower NPs to try WWS (wild west sec: ns/ls) Pvp. Don’t you think?
Or maybe you find it peanuts because it hasn’t changed in 13+ years and really, inflation’s a thing. Mission payouts, like the rest of the mission system, needs to be overhauled and updated. But that’s a monumental undertaking, and it’s not one CCP’s ready to make right now—and likely never will be.
Hillmar did an interview with Talking in Stations, Rise did an interview with Talking in Stations, there were articles and conversations about it on all the EVE media, and all that stuff was cross posted to the forums. Just google “Hillmar and Blackout” and a bunch of stuff comes up. He almost always talks about the goals.
This is subjective. What one person likes another hates, and vice versa. There are plenty of folks unhappy that it got rolled back at all. They didn’t think it screwed them or their playstyles.
That’s where the conversation was the sparked the info. They post here. Their posts are easily found if they make them here. I just think this is an unfair criticism.
Not to be a dick about it, Brisc, but none of that was crossposted to the EVE Online forums by CCP. And you know, that is a problem. Going on TiS is great and all, but let’s face it: that’s not here. They said they’d be doing their communication here. And they’re not. 14,000+ posts in 2 threads on the Blackout. How many of those are from CCP?
Two. Both of those are Falcon creating the threads. And then they stayed the hell away.
14,000 posts in two feedback topics. Nothing from CCP. Falcon wasn’t even paying enough attention to notice the first thread had auto-locked until after he merged another 2000+ post thread into it. And then he tweeted how awesome it was, still without responding to a single thing in it.
How many responses have they offered here? Sure, the community team’s new. Falcon isn’t. But he’d rather troll people on /r/eve.
Maybe they should try actually having conversations here, where they told us they would.
Thank you for venting my frustrations for me.
Would they have anything to say that wouldn’t be likely to create drama, drama they can’t and or don’t want to deal with.,.
While seeing Devs and other CCP’rs posting and conversing with the community is a great ideal, it isn’t practical given the current state of things.
My hope is that when CCP do have a plan they will share it with players, they will actually listen to feedback that is given when they ask for it and do more than just pay lip service to the concerns of players.
Do I really need to go back on my thoughts on TiS and the interviews they did? Well, I will say it again. As much as I give credit to Matterall for defending his people, those TiS interviews were simply kiss my ass interviews, and honestly, they sound more scripted than genuine… And again, they can post wherever they want from the moment they provide the links and other info on here as well.
When the BO hit, we didnt lose players because they loved it…
And that is the thing, info is not posted on here.
CCP needs to worry about their own game instead of worrying about competitors. Competitors who by the way got quite the boost thanks to the BO
For the simple reason that they cannot defend their actions. They know it but refuse to recognize that and refuse to get on the record about it.
It is their mess and their mess to fix, which includes communication.