Fixing some toxic exploits

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I totally agree with you, however the plain insults I got here when trying to get facts correct make me think many people come here only to insult and are mentally( ? sorry for bad wording, non-native speaker) unable to provide help. To me they exactly look like kids who are bored to death and enjoy nothing but to get into people’s courtyard and pee on their door when they are at work. And then, they call it “salt” and are proud of showing retardness. This is the same level of stupidity as people who enjoy women only when they rape them - just listen how many people talk about “rapping” other players.

I always start by considering people stand a correct position, however when they can’t talk without insults and stupidity, I can’t help but consider them as mentally disabled. Just because those people enjoy being insulted, does not mean I like it.

As you noticed, the question is not if we should leave hord. We totally know we could, and we totally know that if another corp does not fit us, we can get back in hord whenever we want.
As you also noticed, this problem can NOT be easily fixed with restricted accept policy, as the policy we have is a part of the reason this corp is how it is.
Also, as already mentioned, this does not happen in every structure with open doors. There is a bunch of people who willingly create multiple alpha accounts to piss people in hord, then throw those accounts away.

ss 0.0 . Don’t tell me this toon is still in use.

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Please stop repeating yourself, we get it, will you ever stop repeat and repeat the same phrase over and over again in a different package, what do you want to achieve in the first place by trying to convience people what these people do or people in regular harrasing other people is normal in some kind of way?
What are you ever going to achieve by telling over and over again what these people do is not bad, we know you don’t like pandemic with a passion, but please tell us what is good about this behaviour? :luxembourg:

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But you haven’t really been insulted, but you do use retard and mentally ill to label those who disagree with you

see what I did there?

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Nah I don’t dislike horde!!!

I COULD NOT deal with the stuff you guys are having to deal with over this spam, would do my head in,
that’s why I cant join an open access corp that takes anyone without API,

You have my sympathy, and empathy, but CCP cant change the mechancs to fix this because they exist but HORDE cant use them without breaking what HORDE is

HORDE has value- so don’t break it- but accept that part of that value (ease of joining, loads of you etc) means that you will be full of Spais and whatnot who will use this to feck with you?

I agree they ARE harassing you, but in the same way others harass another’s sov space with cloaky campers, or pipe bombs, or gate camps, or burning jita to interdict high sec resource production, or whatever.

Only repeating myself, because when you realise this, their harassment becomes something you can deal with?

Stop giving them power and satisfaction by posting about it on here for a start- this thread is a HUGE propaganda win for whoever is doing this-

HEY this is eve- it could even be you! (I don’t think it is but these things do happen).

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:orange_heart::dove::chestnut:

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So you can see I just want offer the advice I have and to maybe stop you giving these people a great big theatre for their wargames? cause they are wargames-

(ever thought about getting some alts in some of the other noob corps and maybe working out who is doing this?-
I think you will find a solution to this problem yourselves in Horde and you don’t need the eveO forums for that)

And I repeat myself because I know everytime you post about this someone somewhere is rubbing themselves off at the success of ‘operation annoy horde’.

:heart:

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well we know you have something to do with it yes :parrotwave6:

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I cant agree its an exploit if I don’t think it is, and I don’t think my agreeing with you would help your case anyway.

Rest assured I do not have the tools, in game contacts, and resources (or time or effort) to do that corp spam thing to you guys.

If I thought I could help you by filing a report to CCP about it or something I would do so, but they have said it isn’t an exploit? And I have to listen to some of these more experienced peeps who have pointed out that corps have the tools to fix this, so maybe the only in game fix they could apply, would actualy kill Horde as an open access corp?

Which is something you all value?

Do you want me to fly down to horde space in my leopard which is just about the only ship I can fly just so you can all pod me, would that prove I’m just a friendly space nut offering what help I can? I hope you say no because I cant be bothered and I have orders to bump. Or come to Dodixie and I will just eject in my pod with a suspect timer and you can shoot me up real good? Like a sacrificial lamb to the slaughter I would turn the other cheek and die smiling- wouldn’t help the corp spam issue though would it.

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Can you tell me when I called you retard , or when you agreed with me ?

I see you made a shortcut there. Which leads you to something wrong. I guess you misunderstood me.

you haven’t really been insulted

because telling me to “nerf the stupidity of corp admission” is not insult ? We agreed on that corp admission when we got into hord. This guy is telling us we are too stupid to decide the corp we join.

in the same way others harass another

No, they are creating new alphas to spam the corporation. Which IS against the rules, as I linked above.

but accept that part of that value (ease of joining, loads of you etc) means that you will be full of Spais and whatnot who will use this to feck with you?

Yeah, spais, of course we know that. Rule in hord : don’t undock cap. Unless you can jump in a fax of course. We accept that, definitely. We know when someone is coming in, he has alt on coms.

However, saying “this is something you have to accept when joining hord” is as much on point as saying “you have to accept the bugs in Eve when you install it” or “you have to accept trojan in windows when you accept them”.
There is a difference between putting an alt in hord to spy, and creating new alpha accounts with the sole goal of spamming corp mails and awoxing new players. AND abusing exploits to move the bms (if there was such an exploit ?) should be bannable.

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save yourself the effort, you seem to obsessed with this subject :new_moon:

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No, you didn’t call ME anything, this is not a personal exchange me vs you

its just language like this I wanted to point out, and suggest that it may be counterproductive:

“I totally agree with you, however the plain insults I got here when trying to get facts correct make me think many people come here only to insult and are mentally( ? sorry for bad wording, non-native speaker) unable to provide help. To me they exactly look like kids who are bored to death and enjoy nothing but to get into people’s courtyard and pee on their door when they are at work. And then, they call it “salt” and are proud of showing retardness. This is the same level of stupidity as people who enjoy women only when they rape them - just listen how many people talk about “rapping” other players.”

this language, even from a ‘non native speaker’ in a thread about ‘toxic exploits’ makes me chuckle, especially the way you throw retard around and casually compare what you are experiencing here in HORDE to actual rape of actual women!!?! (also- the verb rape as in ‘I raped that player’ means to take by force, ‘the rape of the lock’ a famous poem works because of this double meaning, not nice language though but no one in Horde is being raped in the way a woman is raped are they?)

and regarding creating new characters to spam the corp being an exploit and against the rules,
well it IS an exploit to reroll alphas to get away with the negative effects of security and standing loss, to effectively avoid the consequences of non-consensually pvping someone in high sec for instance- this is documented- it is a sideways way of aviding the concord response as it negates its impact and is a documented exploit.

Is it an exploit to roll an alpha purely to spy and disrupt another entities communication and logisitics, in a time of perpetual war, and to do this repeatedly to take advantage of another corp’s open door policy, and to biomass and kill that character when their cover is blown and roll another?

Ask CCP- if its an exploit they will tell you, not GD, and judging by what you are all saying its not an exploit, because you have reported it and its still happening. Or the GMS haven’t got back to you yet?

Just having a killboard which shows a character was used a few times to annoy and harrased then biomassed only proves something IF this is an exploit, but you are in NULL? so avoiding security status loss is a none issue.

Speak to CCP direct, file a ticket, I am sure they will give you a definitive response.

regarding:
"AND abusing exploits to move the bms (if there was such an exploit ?) should be bannable."
You said it yourself, if it happened (and wasn’t just some PL guy dicking with you to farm some lol kills or something, or even another Hordey) and
if it was the result of an exploit, report and expect action.

All we can do is offer advice and whatnot, up to you guys to take it.

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you can say all you want but you’re a laughing stock for the whole world who isn’t suffering from mental issues :girl:

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I’m not suffering from mental issues.
You don’t speak for the whole world.
I agree with you, you complain.
I disagree, you complain.
And in every post you bring up mental issues.
and all I did was give you a cookie :cookie:

I guess because I didn’t agree with everything you said and go OH MY GOD EXPLOIT, ffs, I’m going to stick to talking to others, even Mayhaw tries to construct an argument even if it is toxic and flawed.

edit: your whole post history is just complaining about nothing, have you even looked at your botting threads, I’ve given up on you now so I guess that’s a win for both of us. Maybe make another meme no one repeats because your photoshop skills are none existent.

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you’re just toxic and you need to stop :congapartyparrot:

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No, you didn’t call ME anything, this is not a personal exchange me vs you

Then you can’t say I call people retard when we disagree.

casually compare what you are experiencing here in HORDE to actual rape of actual women!!?!

When did I say that ? Precisely. You are making me say things I did not say. This is either a very bad understanding from you, or a willingly lie.

and judging by what you are all saying its not an exploit, because you have reported it and its still happening

What do you KNOW about this ?

but you are in NULL? so avoiding security status loss is a none issue.

Of course, yes ! Then what ? You are completely out of the point. Just look at my ss.

You said it yourself, if it happened

I know something happened AS I ALREADY SAID. What I don’t know if precisely if this BM moving ON SEVERAL BMS (~10) IN CORP ON THE SAME DAY ON DIFFERENT SYSTEMS was the result of a bug exploit or someone just dicking in.
AND THEN I only explain the fact the OP is talking about. No need to tell me what I am to do, I just tell you what I was witness of. I don’t request your agreement on whether I was subject to an exploit or not.

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It sure as hell isn’t an insult to you. Your corp having a stupid admission rule does not make you stupid. Joining a corp with stupid admission rules also does not make you stupid. I think you made a non-optimal choice but I assume you did it while assessing what you were getting into. It does not seem your assessment was perfect since you dislike some stuff I personally would easily have expected (trolls in a super easy to join group) but vOv.

It’s only against the rules if they recycle character. There is nothing in the rules about new account and that’s mostly because when the rule was made, alpha were not a thing. It probably should be against the rules but in EVE, stuff like that get milked for every single drop possible as long as CCP don’t take a stance.

Not really since Horde has many viable alternative while EVE is rather alone in it game genre and there are many way to be more or less really locked into the Windows environment. You could leave horde without any really issue to get away from the issue or try to get horde to have better admission rules so the problem at least get reduced.

The 2 problem you have here can both be completely eliminated by having different recruitment rules than the one you have now. Every corps in EVE would be stuck with stuff like that if they had the same admission rules as you have. Stopping alpha from posting corp mails would technically reduce your issue but at the same time, it would prevent every single alpha character in your corp to use corp mail even for legit purpose. What really is needed for this is an actual ACL for the mail system so you can define permission. That way, you don’t have to massively stop a feature for every player in alpha state across the game just because one corp has issue with it.

As for awoxing, sorry but its there to stay. You can already make in-corp aggression illegal but since you are a mostly null entity, the rules don’t apply as crime don’t matter in null.

That again is a corp rule thing. To “move” a bookmark, you have to delete it and create a new one with the same name. To do this, you need to be granted the rights to delete and create corp bookmarks. If Horde has that rule completely open to all members, you can’t blame others for doing things the EVE way. It’s the nature of EVE to have backstabbing/shady dealings.

At he end of the day, I can’t help deal with the issue you have if you are not willing to do the work yourself or get it done by those in power in your organisation. It’s a fact of EVE that large corp with wide open recruitment policy will attract people looking for cheap and easy fun. It’s a choice the leader of a corp has to make. I think your leadership is happy with the current state of things because it’s much easier to manage that way and it probably don’t really affect them much as individuals.

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Just stop it already, we know you guys got a division on this forum, and yes we get, there is nothing wrong with this, it’s all normal and none should complain about this because we are perfectly fine humans :camel:

Here is the magic words for you guys, take advice on own risk

Save Yourself The Effort :egg:

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To do this, you need to be granted the rights to delete and create corp bookmarks

We have corp BM creation allowed, not deletion. The BM moved were not new BM IIRC, that is their creation date was more than a day old.
People in hord said they made tickets, I don’t know what it led to. That’s why I say if there was an exploit, because so far it may has well be a bug in the BM database.

It sure as hell isn’t an insult to you. Your corp having a stupid admission rule does not make you stupid.

You saying my corp has stupid admission rules is an insult toward my corp, so towards everybody who chose that corp precisely for this admission rule. I totally accept that you consider this choice as bad regarding your appreciation of the game, this in no way is a reason to call it - and us - stupid. Keep your insults for yourself.

Not really since Horde has many viable alternative while EVE is rather alone in it game genre

And life has many alternatives to Eve. or to a computer.

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literally nothing you are saying makes any sense to me.
Read my post ITS LITERALLY ALL THERE.
I’m not saying you called anyone a retard, I’m saying you use retard casually, and mental, and talk about the rape of women for emotional effect, in your thread about an exploit that either is or isn’t.

HERE IS THE PASSAGE:
I totally agree with you, however the plain insults I got here when trying to get facts correct make me think many people come here only to insult and are mentally( ? sorry for bad wording, non-native speaker) unable to provide help. To me they exactly look like kids who are bored to death and enjoy nothing but to get into people’s courtyard and pee on their door when they are at work. And then, they call it “salt” and are proud of showing retardness. This is the same level of stupidity as people who enjoy women only when they rape them - just listen how many people talk about “rapping” other players.

That’s what you said, I said it made me chuckle, you used that language in a thread about toxic exploits, your either an adult who can do adult discourse and you get my point, or not

Here is what I said:
this language, even from a ‘non native speaker’ in a thread about ‘toxic exploits’ makes me chuckle, especially the way you throw retard around and casually compare what you are experiencing here in HORDE to actual rape of actual women!!?! (also- the verb rape as in ‘I raped that player’ means to take by force, ‘the rape of the lock’ a famous poem works because of this double meaning, not nice language though but no one in Horde is being raped in the way a woman is raped are they?)

As for the rest, you were saying its an exploit rerolling alphas to troll horde, I said I don’t think so but report it if it is, and pointed out the REASON making MULTIPLE ALPHAS can be an exploit is to avoid security loss which is not an issue in NULL, so in context what I said made perfect sense.

regarding the BMS
JUST REPORT IT OR DONT

if you come to discuss is on a forum we will give you advice wont we?? That’s what its for???

Honestly, read back over the whole thread, I’m being really polite the whole time, offered you advice, why are you quoting lines of my post like we are arguing???

Thank god I never joined Horde they clearly let anyone in, do you all behave like this with each other on coms and on your forums, how do you ever get anything done?

OH you don’t.

EDIT: you also said this in the same post
"I always start by considering people stand a correct position, however when they can’t talk without insults and stupidity, I can’t help but consider them as mentally disabled. Just because those people enjoy being insulted, does not mean I like it."
JUST STOP USING DISABILITY AS A MEANS TO LABEL PEOPLE YOU DONT LIKE AND THEN LABEL OTHERS TOXIC
don’t care if anyone else wants to throw labels around but ‘I’m so pure, dealing with these retards’ makes me sick. Hypocrite.

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a division?
you mean some players come on here to offer advice and help, and even when we get ■■■■ for it, or it gets ignored, or we get blamed for the consequences of it being ignored, we still come back trying to help???

mate your coming across really paranoid.

B4R?