Like I said, people won’t be happy until it’s removed entirely. They whined for the first 15 years about players being able to perma-cloak, so CCP changed it to where they can’t, and they are still whining about it.
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And they have good reason to. Imho. But thats a topic both ends of the spectrum will never agree, so 
All I can tell you is the only players whining about it are in nullsec. The existence of cloaks doesn’t stop players in high sec, low sec, or wormhole space from doing what they do. It’s just null, because they want their perfectly safe sector of space to krab in 24/7…
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Nah, its Null because neither HighSec nor WH-space can be cyno-hotdropped.
And Lowsec just a huge staging area for hotdroppers, allies of hotdroppers or FW/Pirates who burn around in S-class gangs (Frigs, Destroyers) or some pimped Nanocruisers that are no good hotdrop targets anyway. But nobody relly lives in Lowsec in the way that he claims, develops, defends, manages/farms an area because that is his main source of income.
That leaves null. Those people renting small systems or claiming some constellation simply are there to actually live there. Of course they want to farm. Of course they want to get profits in return to their investments in ISK and time. The problem isn’t even that others come to fight about it. The problem is that combination of a cloak and cyno which forces you to carry a huge shield all the time to prevent you from being just headshotted. For better comparison imagine you would need to put on a complete body armor and kevlar helmet and use an armored truck any time you leave your house. No sitting relaxed in the garden. No barbecue. No walk in the park. All that because some camouflaged sniper is in the area that can headshot you from behind any moment. And you have no single tool to actually find him if he doesn’t want to. And even if you do, he is back within an hour, knowing you have lost more ISK than he had because his CovOps with the CovertCyno was cheaper than your Mobile Observatory. Would you enjoy that life? I would certainly not.
What they do isn’t “whining”. Its reasonable complaint about the tools of putting pressure on each other aren’t in balance.
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If high sec players had that same mindset, nothing would ever get done. For example, when I’m mining, anyone that wants to could be sitting right next to me cloaked, and I’d never even know it. That ship could be used as a fleet warp-to for a gank squad, and if I’m not paying attention to local, I’m screwed. It’s no different.
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gee, it’s been days since we’ve had a ‘complain about cloaky campers’ thread.
here’s an idea: use that cloaky to bait out a fight? have your own counterdrop ready to go and dangle a juicy target in front of said cloaky?
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that requires effort, planning, knowledge, teamwork and time away from grinding.
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too much grinding and not enough pewpew maek EVE very dull imo.
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people like dull, it’s great for afk grinding and low effort low knowledge gameplay. That’s why most joined null groups in the first place. If they were capable and willing of putting in personal effort into things they’d not need to be part of a 50k pilot group where all the thinking is done for them.
Sure its different. That “gank” only works if the target isn’t paying attention. A Cyno hotdrop works weather your target pays attention or not, it can only fail if your target has a counterdrop ready that is bigger than the attackers fleet. Which means you have to hold a heavy shield all day long for an attack that maybe doesn’t come in days. While the cloaky has nothing more to do than sending a single cloaked alt to force you to hold your shield. Thats a huge imbalance in effort.
But as said, we won’t ever agree here.
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Come on. I agree with you on a lot of things. That one is just… wrong. Yes you can try to do that but the effort is magnitudes higher than the effort is for the cloaky side the just threaten you. You give the perfect example: You can prevent a surprise attack on you by only leaving your house in a full combat suit, surrounded by armed guards (your “counterdrop”) and for all and every little move you want to make you have to make sure others are wasting their time for just waiting if something happens that can happen in an hour, in six hours, in 2 days… nobody knows. The cloaky is just there to tire your attention. And in general, it’s merely impossible to have those kind of “counterdrops” ready at all times for smaller groups. This kind of protection is only available for larger groups that can field staging fleets round the clock. Again a mechanic hindering grassroot growth.
If “baiting” woud be so good, BlackOps gangs wouldn’t have success rates beyond 97ish percent. Sorry for not convincing me, but the arguments brought hold no substance in my eyes. All that “just do that, just to this” doesn’t work in 90% of all cases and the guys placing the cloaky and doing the cyno ambush usually win in the overwhelming majority of all cases. Because the whole mechanic is simply very onesided.
If you can’t beat them, you should consider surrender.
Again, that’s the same argument players use for ganking in high sec. But does that stop us from going about our business as usual? Nope…
Like I said, if residents of high sec had the same mindset as nullsec residents, nothing would ever get done. It’s called pixel fear…
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This is what cloaks are for. This is why we use them. There doesn’t NEED to be a counter for them. Not everything in Eve has a counter.
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Then you maybe talk to the wrong people. The majority of those with experience actually believe that the mechanics in HS are way in favor of those not wanting to be ganked. Because it is incredibly easy to never get ganked at all. Or to make a gank fail.
In My opinion we need more “AFK AT YOUR OWN RISKS”. Most us are are adults having RL responsibilities, jobs and and Chores, not some kids or spoiled adults who are dependent on Mama’s credit card and in washing the dishes.
I just use paper plates and plastic cups and throw them away like the filthy American that I am…
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You already have Mobile Observatories. Use them. Besides, you live in lawless space, in null security space. It is your duty and responsibility to provide security and safety in these areas. Rat in areas that you easily defend with cyno counterdrops. Have response fleets/standing fleets ready at all times. Don’t rat willy-nilly without organization.
Goons, who lived in Delve before you, were pretty good at doing just that. Maybe you should ask them how they managed to keep the drops at bay, or how they were able to respond quickly to drops.
This mechanic is one of the few remaining danger and risk factors in null sec. If it goes away or was weakened even further, null sec would become way too risk-free, safe and cozy.
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