Better stay in your WH :))))
It isnāt really as it makes not much of a difference whether you hear the warning sound of the chatlog app or the warning sound in your eve client. If you get decloaked on your targetās grid and are afk youāll be dead.
And I donāt agree that you should have no notification at all. that would be extremely unfair. you canāt demand a hunter have to stare at the clientās screen just to make sure the isk farmer does not have to do the same.
But your suggestion of ESS changes is very good. I am against abuse of game mechanics.
Not true
Not even close. Okay, if you are a bad hunter, yes. Even a moderately skilled guy has enough range to get up the client after he hears the decloaking sound (or the notification from the log analyzing tool), notice what has happened and just warp away before he is combatscanned and tackled.
Does the ātargetā get an audio notification if the hunter decloaks right on top of him so he can react instantly to this new and dangerous situation?
From my point of view you throw all the burden of āpaying attentionā on the ratter/miner alone, while the cloaky hunter should have it very convenient, being audio-alerted once he gets decloaked so he can leave the cloaked cynotackler minimized for a loooong time, just checking the local and the activity every now and then and just bring it up if needed. Which is exactly what they are doing: Making the locals and their possible reinforcements tired (which a human being simply cannot avoid) from paying attention for hours where nothing happens and then within a single moment the drop comes, the āhuntersā make the kill and disappear before the response can even come in.
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This is biggest issue in my opinion. Player can just warp to some far away spot and logout safely. 30 seconds wonāt let anyone to probe him, there is no way. But worse than that, he doesnāt need to d this. He can just quit the game, yes cloak will be deactivated and he warps to safespot, but he will stay there less than minute, possibly those 30sec (never actually timed it myself) so again no chance to probe him. And you can go **** yourself especially now when you cannot recover it.
Assuming of course that observatory doesnāt add some log off timer, never been in this situation so donāt know, but I donāt think so. And if this is the case, it should be added to the functionality.
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So, āit wonāt happenā and āif it happens itās fineā. Right 
You have problems with simple logic it seems. There are events that are very unlikely to happen and even if they happen, they are no problem in the larger scale of things. What is hard to understand about that?
No I just see through your spam posting in this specific thread.
Not sure if this is nessessary. Yes, of course, a successful decloak could tag the cloaky with a log-off timer. However the goal of those suggestions isnāt to nessessary kill them easily, the goal is to āthreatenā him in the same way he threatens the locals. To give them tools that forces him to be active. Really active. Paying attention. Reacting to decloaks, combatscans etcā¦ Not just refeshing cloak stability once every 15 minutes or turning the volume up and recloak if he gets decloaked.
Thanks for nothing I suppose. I havenāt seen a single constructive argument from you so far. The only thing you did was sowing doubts and assuming bad intentions. Pretty hollow for someone accusing other people of āspammingā.
30 seconds is indeed little but can be enough to probe someone.
Iāve caught someone before who did that - some annoying spammer who would log in, spam local with some scam and close client every few hours. If you have probes out and are within dscan range already it is doable.
I once semi-jokingly made the same argument!
But weāve seen what āblackoutā does to null and later on I came to realize that the balance issue is that the game cannot have both āno localā and cynos in the same part of space.
Null and low can easily turn a single character into a hundred via cynos.
Pochven and wormhole space may not have local chat, but every player in a system has only limited points of entry: either star gates/wormholes that can be monitored or rolled, or filaments that put a hard limit to the amount of ships entering a system.
Cynos have no such limits. Itās too easy to travel and hide a fleet if cynos can be used in no-local space.
That 15 minute timer is your cloak hardening timer.
Non-hardened cloaks wonāt automatically decloak, but can be decloaked by mobile observatories. Without such a thing you can still cloak indefinitely.
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Was he visible on dscan when spamming? Or how did you find him? What ship he used? The cloakers in null will have cov-ops which are much harder to probe down, of course I never tried with perfect skills and best implants, but stillā¦
I doubt it is physically possible to probe down a Pacifier who quits gameā¦
Not a single killboard record in over 4 years isnāt exactly what Iād call āactiveā.
And seriously, you are in Brave Collective, or is being brave no longer a requirement ?
My wifeās toon is specificity set up to find you. A frig in 2 sweeps. Suck in the probes, warp to 50 cloaked. Maneuver through the roid belt they thought they were safe in to within point blank range, I warp in as she warps out. Target dead. Pay attn to ds if you want to live anywhere in the game.
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And I always enjoy getting flagged. That just means they have no intelligent response.
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@Tr4ficant_Nuk3 Welcome to the community! 
I think itās very cool that EVE has cloaking devices and the counters have already been mentioned. Itās all good.
Thanks, MB, but no salt for me, just butter 
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I had to give up salt in rl at 50. In the forums! 
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I try to avoid salt as much as I can. Itās bad for my health. Itās also why I only fly in LowSec, so no salt for me in EVE too
Never found a good group. Found WH salt to taste very well though!
Now this should be a challenge for some with a ton of skill who still bothers to play.
Not looking for one. Iām doing my own things, mainly learning the ropes, scanning, using D-Scan, some missions, some ratting, some visiting, bookmarkingā¦ Just dallying around in space being me.
I like it that thereās always some danger, either from cloaked ships, a gate camp or otherā¦ Makes it feel like a real sci-fi movie where Iām the main character. Iām lost in an unknown part of the universe like Kathryn Janeway and I donāt know if Iāll ever see home again.
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