Forever cloacked and AFK

Your criticisms are not legit. But to whom it might concern anti-cloaking upgrade is not going to be free. Ideally it would only be possible to do it on 50% of non-NPC null sec. But in reality null sec orgs will do it in fewer systems.

There is also the thing where if safety is increased people will fly more blingy ships for mining and ratting.

Kindly explain how my criticism isn’t a legit concern of your idea?
You want to make nullsec safer than hisec. I explain why I think that is a bad idea and give specific examples of how it will affect the game.
How are my criticisms of your concept ā€œnot legitā€?

this is not even remotely the parameters you imposed on your idea when you first floated it. In fact, you argued that such upgrades should be ā€œeconomically viableā€.
Please define exactly what you mean by this. How much do you envisage such an iHub upgrade to cost? (iHub or whatever the current iteration of same is). What restrictions would be placed on installing said upgrade?
Kindly be specific in your arguments.

You act as if an anti-cloaking upgrade would make null sec impenetrable and you seem to take/make discussions personal

I think he refers to the combination of suggested upgrades:

  • inability to filament in
  • inability to open cynos
  • inability for wormholes to spawn
  • inability to cloak

This ALL in combination would lead to a situation where a bloc/group only would need to camp the handful of entrances to a whole region with some instalockers and the whole region behind would be a 100% safe from any assaults or ambushes. The only way to break in would be another massive alliance fleet, which we would merely see once a year, if at all. Because that could escalate to a full scale alliance war, which neither side really wants.

And that would inevitably lead to Nullsec being a 100% safecrabbing area for like 24/7, 365d a year. The amount of wealth and assets generated there would be unimaginable, ten times worse than it already is.

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ftfy.

have you ever participated in a bloc level war?
or even a bloc level skirmish?
I have. Multiple times. It’s a prolonged, knock em down, drag em out blueballs ā€œboredom as a weaponā€ endeavour.
Your proposed combination of safety mechanisms would make any such endeavour pointless.
Sure, you may have the occasional small scale fleet bust through the gatecamps, but a prolonged campaign with no cynos, no wormholes, no filaments and no cloaks??
Not gonna happen.

check your in-game mail my dude.

I only ment for a little nerf on the cloak itself, like a cloak fatigue, or an activation time of … minutes and than a reactivation delay of … minutes, so the cloakers become anyhow vulnerable to something, cos now they are almost invulnerable, beside the mobile observatory wich is not as cheap and easy to use like the cloak module. So, even the odds is what i say, not remove cloak, cyno, filaments or WH.

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Imo null sec systems should be able to be upgraded so that people cannot cloak or filament in or out, and also so that wormholes wont spawn. 3 separate upgrades.

Do people think that means there will be no more wormholes or filaments or cloaking in nullsec. Thats not what it means. Its an upgrade and it will be only be used in vital systems, assuming they aren’t too cheap or too expensive.

If someone goes too far with these upgrades someone will take notice and be like ā€œno, you cant have all this upgraded spaceā€ and there will be war like youve never seen before.

You have very unrealistic ideas of what leads to war in EVE.

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Thanks

He has unrealistic views about almost everything in this game. It’s not a shame, most newbies have. On the other hand, most newbies aren’t as stubborn and ignorant.

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I do not think he is a newbie…
Every post from him has been a troll or putting the Game and DEvs on blast for no reason…

Since every post from is a troll or rule breaking remark, he really should be Banned from teh Forums…permanently for rule breaking so blatantly.

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150m is cheap for null sec safety. Make them 1b each. 150m can be earned in no time in null when you have absolute safety.

Do you have any idea the size of the isk reserves of the major blocs?
1b is couch change.

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Hell, 1 billion is couch change to a lot of players in high sec.

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Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

Not at all.
We’re pointing out that pricing insanely powerful sov hub upgrades at such a pitiful amount is the final cherry of stupidity on top of a stupidity sundae that would put EVE into a diabetic coma.

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Only @glenduil has suggested a price so far