The way I heard it, Cynos show up with a broadcast on their location. BLOPS have to decloak to use them. They cannot warp while cloaked. They’re so expensive that they usually go after small targets which means all that ISK and those skills go to waste on cheap single target hit and runs because the pilot wasn’t smart enough to run when a fleet appeared in Local. When you see the Cyno, DOCK! If you get scrammed by the Cyno ship, well, destroy it or bring more ships next time. It’s Null Sec. Null Sec isn’t supposed to be safe for the solo ship. If you’re in a fleet and see a Cyno or a fleet appear in Local, RUN. There is your counter. You have only yourselves to blame.
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Covert Cyno (used for BLOPSes) are only visible on the grid. But it doesn’t matter, the BLOPSes land and 15-20 seconds later the target is dead and the BLOPSes are aligning to their safe spot, to cloak and go afk for the jump timer. You can’t even warp there in time if you are stationary in a battleship a couple AU away and the target only takes 1 seconds to type ME ME ME in local.
EDIT Added clear plural on the BLOPS.
You’d be out in Null in an expensive ship and just sit there while a Cyno gets lit? You wouldn’t leave immediately? That’s on you, bud, not cloaks.
Cynos cannot be lit by a cloaked ship. The ship has to decloak right next to you for you to be suddenly surrounded by BLOPs. As soon as the ship decloaks, you have several seconds to get out of there. If she ship scrams you first, well… you are dead anyway. That’s how scrams work. You don’t need BLOPs to know that. You let a ship get close to you and scram you. It’s Null Sec. You should have been more alert.
And if you are in a battleship all by yourself in Null Sec and not watching Local, well… again… that was your fault. I know… you null sec people love to have CSM and CCP hold your hand all the time and give you anything you want, but they’ve given you everything you need already.
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I do too. It’s a very overpriced ship with way too many skill requirements. All used so that a worthless ship can be surprise attacked. They’re weak ships with very weak damage. At least the Sin is. I bought one and skilled up to it. I wish I hadn’t. I may use it for target practice some day.
Dead BLOPS 1.5 bill Redeemer | Davy Jones FlyingDutch | Killmail | zKillboard , this is not super expensive, the targets they can take down easy cost twice and even 10 times as much. And the targets need to sit open for attack for hours, while the BLOPS just need to cloak and tab into Eve every 15 minutes to restart cloak to stay 100% safe.
Okay how many BLOPs can take down the target in your example that costs 10 times as much?
There is this module called a Warp Disruptor.
You do not seem to know enough about the subject to participate.
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A warp disrupter doesn’t stop the MWD. It only prevents warp. A well equipped null sec ship has the ability to move very quickly unless it’s a capital. I have a battleship that has a top speed of 1200 m/s without overheating. I have a cruiser that can reach 2500 m/s overheated. I’ve had to overheat it to escape a gate camp with all of my shields and armor gone. Once I was out of range, I warped and cloaked.
Eve has counters. You just have to learn to use them. You expect Cloaks to be removed from the game because you left spacedock without an MWD?
Standard 60 mill cloak cyno ship moves 2300. Good luck.
EDIT I looked at a few kill mails, the cyno ships actually seem to often be fully fit incl faction probes and cost about 60mill, not just the hull. So the price is updated.
While Cloaked! They cannot target while cloaking! If you’re not targetted, you’re not getting disrupted or fired upon. So why are you still sitting there getting hurt? Dry your tears, overheat your MWD, and take off! If they all drop target to give chase, WARP OUT OF THERE
It doesn’t matter if the cloak cyno ship gives chase because you’re outrunning all of the BLOPs.
And you can keep that chase up indefinitely
That would require actual effort and paying attention which, apparently, they can’t be bothered to do…
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So much hate over a ship that can’t operate on its own and can’t warp or Cyno while cloaked
You are very self-contradictory (saying enemy is cloaked, can’t target or fire, yet the target is getting hurt etc).
You won’t know which way to run until the cyno decloaks. If it decloaks ahead of you, you need to turn, even if you were aligned. Taking a good 20s for a battleship to get up to just 75% in new direction.
Pray that the Warp Disruptor was picked and not the Warp Scrambler for all your MWD talk.
The entire point of your posts cooks down to “If you see someone in local that can be a cyno, you need to stop what you are doing and align to dock with MWD on max, quickly burning out of range of any rats and might as well dock”.
That is the entire point here, people can box a couple BLOPS and several cyno alts, meaning that a group of 3 or so people, can lock down 15+ systems at no risk at all to their main ships, the cyno ships do risk being caught on gates, but once afk in systems, they are 100% safe as long as they alt tab in about every 15 minutes to restart cloaks.
And the targets need to either not play, or focus 100% on defense and just sit and wait at ready at the gates to try hope catch the cyno (I checked they aren’t actually 20 mill more like 60 totally fitted with probes and everything - incl scram so there goes your MWD idea, not lost often so not much risk to them either).
To even check if someone is afk and not refreshing their cloak, cost ~75 mill per Mobile Observatory, which only has 40% chance to decloak every 10 minutes. So you need to place for 300 million Mobile Observatories to have a decent chance* at decloaking anyone who forgets to refresh cloak for 15 minutes + the interval difference between cloak activation and pings (and the cloaker can hear the pings and make sure to cloak right after and then go afk knowing they have about 24 minutes).
If you put down a Mobile Observatory 20 minutes after you see someone in local, and they just log in and go afk for the next 2 hours (Mobile Observatory last ~1h40m), you will have 10 pings. So 0.6^9 = 0.6% chance the afk cloaker remain cloaked.
99.4% Risk the 60mill ship using about 20 man seconds on the activity, becomes decloaked and people can spend time probing it down and killing it.
vs
100% risk the 75 mill Mobile Observatory is lost, with the person using 1man * 2h * 60s/m * 60m/h = 7200 man seconds (2 man hours) on the activity.
Attack cost in ISK at worst 80% of defense cost.
Attack cost in man hours, 0.3% of the defense cost.
That is just a pure trolling mechanic.
- 0.6^4 = down to 13% chance they will stay cloaked through a ping if they forgot to refresh.
If you’re alone - all by yourself- which you are in all of your examples, and you don’t leave or dock up with all those cloaked ships in local, you deserve to lose. I don’t care if they’re cloaked or not. You deserve to lose. Strangers in local and you decide that it’s a good idea to go mining- you deserve to lose.
Cloaking has nothing to do with why you’re mining or ratting with strangers in local that you can’t identify. You brought no friends. The risk to the enemy fleet- cloaked or not- was always zero in your examples.
If you don’t know how to Null Sec, I can’t help you.
You’re complaining that 5 ships totaling 3,180,000,000 ISK can easily take down one player who fell asleep at the wheel… sorry, but that’s always going to be the case.
Not at all, one of my examples I was in a battleship ready to help the victim.
Your troll is weak.
I’m not trolling. I’m honestly trying to find one example of a cloak being overpowered in this game. It hasn’t happened.
And you being in a battleship ready to help the victim still puts you personally all alone. You didn’t have friends all around you ready to contribute.
But you can’t cyno in wormhole so you are comparing apples and oranges.
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Yeah, someone who understands.
Also “lol” at the discussion. @Glenduil obviously don’t understand how BlackOps are operated and why they have a near 99% success rate (hint, they are FAR from being “bad”), far higher than most other ships btw. And no, it’s not because their pilots are “so skilled” even while most Hotdroppers think they are the elite of PvP in EVE because they have a 99:1 ratio on the killboard.
However, it’s useless, a) the devs won’t read it and b) the real whining from the hotdroppers would drown nullsec in tears if cloaks + cynos would actually be a challenging mechanic and not just lead to easykills (plus the rare miscalculation that actually cost some BOs, but is completely irrelevant in the larger meta).
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