Freighters are too cost effective to suicide gank. Need HP increase

[Lucia_Clover]

I’m not spreading hate in any way. This thread is to request that ganking of freighters in hi-sec be made not so ridiculously easy. And the way to go about that specifically without interfering with anything else is to buff freighter HP so that gankers need to invest more if they want to continue scoring 10 billion isk freighter kills.

It should hopefully put a stop to most of the pointless ganking of empty or near empty low to no value freighters.

What’s wrong? Having to bring a few more Talos to secure a 10 billion isk gank too much for you?

[z0ra_Berg]

@Lucia_Clover

This thread is to request that ganking of freighters in hi-sec be made not so ridiculously easy.

You could not do it and you know it. Does that make you an incompetent fool or does it mean it’s not easy? You’re just like the next idiotic hate machine spreading diarrhea he has no understanding of. Just virtue signalling nonsense, just like the other batshit crazy morons who thinks they should speak for some self declared victims who get ganked by evil people.

Please just ■■■■ off. The only ones who should speak up against freighters getting ganked are the ones who are getting ganked. Not some random parental accident who thinks he needs to show everyone how much of a good person he is by speaking for people who do not even know there’s some random genetic waste speaking for them.

[Theron_Larkis]

@Lucia_Clover

A person who moves a freighter in hi-sec with a low value to cargo, or even no cargo at all, gets suicide ganked, losing anywhere from 600m with insurance to 1 bill without. This makes that player a lazy clueless clown who deserved to be killed?

Show us a ganked freighter with bulkheads, with less than 1 bil in cargo and who wasn’t APing.

[Lucia_Clover]

@z0ra_Berg

@Lucia_Clover

This thread is to request that ganking of freighters in hi-sec be made not so ridiculously easy.

Please just ■■■■ off.

Always the haters who accuse others of spreading hate.

[Kezrai_Charzai]

@Salt_Foambreaker

Don’t give new players advice when you don’t know what the ■■■■ you are doing.

Don’t talk big about PvP when all you ever do is PI in a carebear corp.

[Jonny_Bean_Belta]

trolling and leet PvP chest beating aside, everyone knows freighting sucks. it’s slow and not at all interesting.
A few points have been brought up that are valid.
Yes you can invest billions more to maybe avoid losing your over 1 billion isk ship to people taking 0 risk that you have no way of fighting.
yes, ganking is very much fun.
No, escorting freighters is not the answer. it works if your doing 1 run a week. good luck getting people to escort you 3-4 times a day.
increasing the hp is not an answer. A better way to go would be an active module. this fights the “dreaded AFK” and makes it user controlled. something like a Capital Emergency Hull Energizer but for shields and with a much shorter duration. This still give the ganker the ability to get the kill if they hit hard before the pilot wakes up and hits the button, but gives a chance to live.
Additionally fix sec status, being -10 means nothing. lock the safety to amber and remove tether if your -10.

[Vokan_Narkar]

First of all you need ISKs, lot of ISKs so you have at least 100x t2 Talos prepared in your staging sector. Not everyone, especially those who live in highsec has so much ISK to be able to afford to do this.

Second you need to pay at minimum 10 accounts, 9 if you go after autopiloting Freighters. At least 1 scan alt, at least 1 loot alt, and at least 7 gank alts. And this only allows you to go after freighters with 3x cargo expander. Anything else and you fail with this setup. Anyway that means that you need even more ISK than just the bilions for ships or to pay 100+ euro (and that already assumes you buy the best deal for 12months).

Then you need to pre-spawn CONCORD every fking day. Prefferably by using set of alts with -10 sec status because otherwise this will costs you more money for Clone Soldier tags. You can’t kill freighter with 7 chars without doing this.

Also you need maxed skills for talos on each gank alt. That takes about a year of omega training OR skill injectors which means even more ISKs again.

And now we are getting to the actual gank. If you don’t want to go after autopiloting you need two more alts, one that will bump or scramble (and if scramble it needs to hold the aggro of the sentry on gate long enough) the freighter when he tries to jump to next game, and one to combat probe his location and warp talos fleet on his head. This can be done with just one alt bumping but requires much more skill and practice. Just this is harder than anything you ever did I bet. Can you even combat probe? Because most peoples I played with can’t for example.

So you warp you fleet to the target. Now begins the easier part of the gank and thats to press F1/F2 on each account, pull drones press F and hope that stupid antigankers doesn’t interfere with this. Because if you do it with 7 gank alts only, all that it takes is one idiot in Falcon and you are ■■■■■■ up. That easy it is.

Ok so now the freighter is dead and your gank alts in capsule. Now you need to loot it. Depending on where you do this there might be antigankers who try to steal the loot or catch your looting alt. This is really tricky with freighter ganking especially as Freighter is easy to catch. But on the other hand if you choose a quiet place ´for ganking you might be scanning whole day and find noone stupid enough to carry 10bil in 3x cargo expander freighter (I am speaking from my own experiences). So ideally you need 2 alts to loot the wrect. Either an alt who transfers the wrect into jetcan anyone can loot (which I don’t know exactly how it works with cargo so big that only freighter could carry it) or you need a bumping alt to bump antigankers off the wreck and in worst case your own freighter if you get caught with suspect.

Oh and obviously you need to be able to multibox 9+ accounts, which not everyone can and WANTS to do. I certainly don’t want to run more than 3 accounts anymore, hell even the third account I subbed recently is causing me to lose track of the other chars and lose ships that way. Most players doing this buy set of monitors or one ultra wide one but not everyone wants to do it again.

You might say that what is hard on this is not activity itself but the preparation and knowledge around it and multiboxing itself. You might be correct, but what in EVE requires an “actual” player skill? Not really much…

[Lucia_Clover]

@z0ra_Berg

@Lucia_Clover

This thread is to request that ganking of freighters in hi-sec be made not so ridiculously easy.

You could not do it and you know it. Does that make you an incompetent fool or does it mean it’s not easy? You’re just like the next idiotic hate machine spreading diarrhea he has no understanding of. Just virtue signalling nonsense, just like the other batshit crazy morons who thinks they should speak for some self declared victims who get ganked by evil people.

Please just ■■■■ off. The only ones who should speak up against freighters getting ganked are the ones who are getting ganked. Not some random parental accident who thinks he needs to show everyone how much of a good person he is by speaking for people who do not even know there’s some random genetic waste speaking for them.

You don’t know me or anything about me. So what makes you think I cannot do an easy activity such as hi-sec freighter ganking? You’re clueless.

[Lucia_Clover]

@Vokan_Narkar

First of all you need ISKs, lot of ISKs so you have at least 100x t2 Talos prepared in your staging sector. Not everyone, especially those who live in highsec has so much ISK to be able to afford to do this.

Second you need to pay at minimum 10 accounts, 9 if you go after autopiloting Freighters. At least 1 scan alt, at least 1 loot alt, and at least 7 gank alts. And this only allows you to go after freighters with 3x cargo expander. Anything else and you fail with this setup. Anyway that means that you need even more ISK than just the bilions for ships or to pay 100+ euro (and that already assumes you buy the best deal for 12months).

Then you need to pre-spawn CONCORD every fking day. Prefferably by using set of alts with -10 sec status because otherwise this will costs you more money for Clone Soldier tags. You can’t kill freighter with 7 chars without doing this.

Also you need maxed skills for talos on each gank alt. That takes about a year of omega training OR skill injectors which means even more ISKs again.

And now we are getting to the actual gank. If you don’t want to go after autopiloting you need two more alts, one that will bump or scramble (and if scramble it needs to hold the aggro of the sentry on gate long enough) the freighter when he tries to jump to next game, and one to combat probe his location and warp talos fleet on his head. This can be done with just one alt bumping but requires much more skill and practice. Just this is harder than anything you ever did I bet. Can you even combat probe? Because most peoples I played with can’t for example.

So you warp you fleet to the target. Now begins the easier part of the gank and thats to press F1/F2 on each account, pull drones press F and hope that stupid antigankers doesn’t interfere with this. Because if you do it with 7 gank alts only, all that it takes is one idiot in Falcon and you are ■■■■■■ up. That easy it is.

Ok so now the freighter is dead and your gank alts in capsule. Now you need to loot it. Depending on where you do this there might be antigankers who try to steal the loot or catch your looting alt. This is really tricky with freighter ganking especially as Freighter is easy to catch. But on the other hand if you choose a quiet place ´for ganking you might be scanning whole day and find noone stupid enough to carry 10bil in 3x cargo expander freighter (I am speaking from my own experiences). So ideally you need 2 alts to loot the wrect. Either an alt who transfers the wrect into jetcan anyone can loot (which I don’t know exactly how it works with cargo so big that only freighter could carry it) or you need a bumping alt to bump antigankers off the wreck and in worst case your own freighter if you get caught with suspect.

Oh and obviously you need to be able to multibox 9+ accounts, which not everyone can and WANTS to do. I certainly don’t want to run more than 3 accounts anymore, hell even the third account I subbed recently is causing me to lose track of the other chars and lose ships that way. Most players doing this buy set of monitors or one ultra wide one but not everyone wants to do it again.

You might say that what is hard on this is not activity itself but the preparation and knowledge around it and multiboxing itself. You might be correct, but what in EVE requires an “actual” player skill? Not really much…

And there you have it. The only part that could be considered hard is the preperation itself. But it’s not hard at all, it’s just a matter of making some effort.

The ganking part is easy.

[Vokan_Narkar]

Lol. First of all you responded in less than 10 seconds after I posted quite a big wall of text, did you even read it?

Second, if you read what I wrote and came to this conclusion than there is nothing more to be said. Go back to mindlessly botting mining or emerging conduit and next time sell your stuff on local market or buy a courier service to transport your stuff to Jita (afterall who do you think profit the most from freighter ganking? yes Red Frog!)

[Lucia_Clover]

Gankers are working over time in this thread to ensure their ezmode activity stays that way.

The fact that low value freighters are ganked is all the proof you need that freighter ganking isn’t costly enough and too easy. If they only ganked the high value freighters that would be understandable, because the potential profit massively outweights the cost of the gank.

It’s not like the changes suggested would stop freighter ganks from taking place. Gankers would still secure their multi billion isk freighter ganks. It would just cut down on the pointless ganking of low value freighters.

Apparently that’s too much for the carebear gankers too bare.

[Black_Pedro]

@Lucia_Clover

It would just cut down on the pointless ganking of low value freighters.

This doesn’t happen.

Look at zKillboard. There are hardly any ganks of empty freighters. They are almost all done for profit.

You can make a case that for some reason, freighters should be able to carry more cargo value without being a profitable target, but you are grossly misrepresenting the facts if you claim “pointless” ganking is an issue.

It just doesn’t happen very much at all.

[FairyTail_Omaristos]

1. Not a ganker, just a realist;
2. The changes you want are to make a Freighter the most OP ship you could ever have and therefore plainly ludicrous;
3. There are no “pointless ganks” cos it is either rewarding in isk OR they are done for other reasons;
4. Please explain what a “carebear ganker” is as I would have thought these to be mutually exclusive.

Not being funny but if you don’t realise how this continuation of your nonsense is going to specifically attract those who do it to get a reaction from people and not for the isk you really are clueless…

[Lucia_Clover]

@FairyTail_Omaristos

1. Not a ganker, just a realist;
2. The changes you want are to make a Freighter the most OP ship you could ever have and therefore plainly ludicrous;
3. There are no “pointless ganks” cos it is either rewarding in isk OR they are done for other reasons;
4. Please explain what a “carebear ganker” is as I would have thought these to be mutually exclusive.

Not being funny but if you don’t realise how this continuation of your nonsense is going to specifically attract those who do it to get a reaction from people and not for the isk you really are clueless…

Don’t be silly. No, buffing freighters to have more HP doesn’t make freighters “the most OP ship you could ever have”.

The changes certainly won’t save them from determined gankers. But it will reduce the amount of pointless ganks and give freighter pilots some leeway to transport lower value cargos more safely in hi-sec - the way it should be.

[FairyTail_Omaristos]

In your earlier posts you have asked for more HP as well as mid slots etc. So you want more hp, mods and even weapons.
“A ship that can travel in HS with over 500k HP and defence mods and weapons is not going to be OP”.

Are you high?

[Lucia_Clover]

No but I think you may be high. I’ve never asked for mid slots for freighters. I’ve asked for an extra lo slot and the ability to fit them with a damage control so that people have more flexability to improve tank than just bulkheads. A damage control would be a wise fitting choice. Don’t worry gankers, some people still won’t fit them. But even if they do, you’ll still be very profitable to gank the ones carrying multi billion cargos.

Alternatively CCP could just boost HP. Would you prefer it that way? They could do a combination of both.

[Ugren_Okaski]

@Jonny_Bean_Belta

Yes you can invest billions more

Reinforced Bulkheads do not cost billions.

@Jonny_Bean_Belta

to people taking 0 risk

So losing freighter is a risk, but losing a bunch of Taloses is not.

[Karynn_Denton]

@Lucia_Clover

Alternatively CCP could just boost HP. Would you prefer it that way? They could do a combination of both.

Alternatively - and most likely - CCP will do neither.

[Jonny_Bean_Belta]

sorry maybe i wasn’t clear, i was referring to the person who said get shield slaves. bulkheads are the standard, and do not save you.

you chose to gank you know the talos is lost. you also pick the target and know the exact outcome before you start your gank.

[Lucia_Clover]

@Ugren_Okaski

@Jonny_Bean_Belta

Yes you can invest billions more

Reinforced Bulkheads do not cost billions.

@Jonny_Bean_Belta

to people taking 0 risk

So losing freighter is a risk, but losing a bunch of Taloses is not.

Losing a bunch of suicide Talos is not a risk. You chose to suicide them. Yes losing a freighter is a risk. He did not intend to lose it or even get into combat. And he risks the cargo he carries too.