I don’t think there is any space in EVE he understands.
BDO stands for Black Desert Online I suppose. It’s Perl Abyss’ cash cow title.
You need to post more dryson
First of all, you should feel like an ass for resurrecting This Thread two weeks after it had died. Seriously. An ass.
And secondly, the whole “code goes to null” thing has been discussed literally Ad nauseum. I actually just threw up a little bit. That’s how nauseum.
They aren’t going to go out into null. You know that. I know that. They know that. They don’t want to. What they want to do, is blow up other players for fun, and drama.
So stop being a pedant. You can either accept it, or you can keep railing on like a miserable whiner. One at least shows that you are able to make your own decisions about things, instead of being driven.
The other just makes you look like an ass.
Ass nauseum.
That is just how dryson works. If he is in Highsec and gets his ass kicked by CODE. he will create threads about “why don’t go lowsec pirates to Highsec and kill CODE?!” and if he runs away to provi and gets hiss ass kicked by PL he runs with “Why don’t CODE. comes to nullsec and kills PL?!”.
In the end it is really just a desperate cry for help, because he knows from personal experience that we kick ass and so he hopes if his cheap bait plays out that we will kick the ass of his current ass kicker.
It’s basically always “someone else do something!” in various forms. The best example of that was when I wardeced him with my one man corp, he immediately made a thread about how everyone should wardec my corp, ironically followed by another thread in another section of the forums where he cried about not being able to leave corp and dodge the wardec because of roles and how that is a bug CODE. abuses .
Agree with this post. Last night my alt was trying to move a freighter load through, just 300m risk worth of ore. But had to dock up and log out as ganker corps and gankers seemed to outnumber their prey. They were at each gate. As there is no real defence against bumping, it’s easier to dock up and try again when it’s quiet.
You’re completely right… kinda. It is much easier to dock up and try again when they are inactive and props to you for using that strategy. It’s a wise one!
There is counter-play to bumping and ganking but requires you to invest just as much time, energy, and resources as the gankers. That’s your decision to opt out and take the easier route. Can’t blame you though because moving when gankers are inactive is smart, but you can’t cry about something being unfair if you choose not to do it.
No webber alt / friend, or that would not help?
Have you tried not using a capital ship that is susceptible to bumps when moving without escort. Or have you tried avoiding the two systems where people actually gank?
If the gankers really only used two systems… Then there wouldn’t be much ganking, would there?
You’re probably my favorite poster, but sometimes I think there is some dissonance in what you claim. (Like you need to care about my thinks.)
If there is one thing that reading the miner bumping website has taught me, it is that you can in fact avoid being ganked. Yes it does require effort, but at the end of the day, CODE is not above throwing 50 catalysts at a single Target just to make a point.
I don’t think there is a counter to that, not by playing smart or being prepared. I don’t think there should be a counter to that. Overwhelming DPS is by its very nature supposed to be overwhelming. All well and good. But you still can’t do anything about it. And there’s still no reason to keep playing if you think that’s going to be your fate.
(No, I don’t think you have 50 ship squads for every kill.)
I do believe it is possible to avoid being bumped. I do think it is possible to avoid being ganked. I don’t think that it is confined to just the two systems you are claiming. And if it were really, truly just as simple as doing the things you sometimes suggest, then CODE would never have gotten off the ground in the first place.
What CODE does is effective, not simply because CODE is so good at doing it… But because the mechanics themselves are effective. Ergo, not as easy to avoid or Escape as you might sometimes claim.
There are very few systems where freighters get ganked regularly. Obviously that does not mean that there are no ganks elsewhere, but the BIG majority is in the 0.5 systems between Jita and Amarr, for the simple fact that you have the biggest traffic with the most valuable stuff, the slowest CONCORD response time (which saves money). Imagine what you need to have in a system to get this ganks going. You need scouts on the routes in, you need the ships and the gank chars obviously and bumpers. You don’t just set that up anywhere but in locations where it is worth it and it is not super mobile.
There are actually routes around those systems. And there are other options than freighters which are not susceptible to bumps.
Also the ting is that this ganks are pretty rare. I don’t doubt that if it hits you it is a big loss, but I mean seriously look at some of those freighters those people lose… there is almost no week where there isn’t someone feeding a 50+bil thing to the gankers. Now people will obviously say “this is so unbalanced!!! 50bil ISK and you just pay a fraction of that to kill it!!”…
Only a couple years ago, something like this wouldn’t have even be thinkable because no one in his right mind would have shipped that amount in a single freighter. I remember one time when CCP ■■■■■■ up the routing system and some guy went on a trip to lowsec with a 4bil ISK freighter. This was HUGE and everyone was kinda shocked that someone would move so much stuff around.
So what happened? Highsec got more and more secure, people get lazy and expect it to be save. And they put more and more into this freighters, because kills get rarer but because they are fatter they are bigger and get all the attention and demands for balance… to get even more secure… to get even more lazy and stuff even more into the freighter.
Those big fat 50+bil whales, they are indeed a symptom of an unbalanced Highsec. They are the clear sign that there is NO RISK FOR HAULING STUFF and not for ganking.
And for people who just say that even the potential that they might die makes them dock up… there is just nothing this game can do for you, sorry… if you undock a ship that is the value you put on the table in a round of EVE so to speak. If you are not comfortable taking that risk, let others do it for you, that is what contracts are for.
That quote really made me laugh.
While a 50 bil thing, aka just one freighter worth 50 bil per week is probably less common occurence that previously stated, one fact remains: One of our our elite pilots from Gate Tax Collection Agency basicly kills 40 bil each day he logs in. Sometimes solo, sometimes with other CODE. pilots.
And even when all mechanics are literally against him, he still manages to catch the whales trying to haul redicilous amounts of ISK all the way from null-sec to Jita, simply because he is so good at doing it.
I agree. If it is so safe that there is no risk, the exonomy will most likely fail.
How can you get an active freighter though with Concord? I mean one that is not AFK? I know it takes them a bit to warp from a gate but you can get through that hull before you get taken out by concord? Just curious?
I feel that ganking needs a buff. CONCORD should be removed so that everyone can enjoy a truly fair fight.
What is this fair thing?
It’s not as crazy as it first sounds. Ganking targets have an instant i-win given to them. Concord comes and blaps everyone that attacked them.
I don’t think concord should be removed… but I think that they should be regular ships with AI 2.0 on them. Make fighting concord a thing again, and make the economics of ganking more favourable to extracting your ships rather than suiciding.
Do you think gankers may instead continue to simply use the cheapest available solutions, and just take the loss on the chin?
I’m sure some would. But honestly, if it’s more financially viable to just bring some logi and fight off the Concord response team, I imagine some would.
I’ve nothing against ganking. But in the interest of engaging gameplay, I do believe it would be a more enjoyable game without suicide. I love the idea that every loss matters. It’s very Eve to me.