How can we best educate new players?

Says he who knows nothing about ganking

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He knows nothing about ganking, but admitted to griefing newbs for salt in the Megathread.

This is a factual statement devoid of judgement.

Let me guess, now youā€™re going to say that ganking is easyā€¦

Thatā€™s what I thought. :sweat_smile: Itā€™s so easy that the miners can only cry about it instead of getting payback.

Discussed by gankers who state that their only goal is gank players to collect tearsā€¦ I donā€™t think so. They might say it only because itā€™s funny, and it is when the one getting ganked acts like a 5yo.

Bad behavior isnā€™t dependent on someoneā€™s actions or words unless itā€™s Life or Death. Gankers only the play the game as itā€™s supposed to be played. Some players shoot at rocks, other players like to shoot at ships, itā€™s a choice that the sandbox gives. Itā€™s not a conspiracy to make players cry.

If you cannot even acknowledge that generalities are always false then weā€™re both wasting our time in this theead.

There is: Narrative.
That tells me you are not willing to even look at the other side. Your brain is stuck on the same record skipping on ā€œgankers griefingā€ over and over until you yourself believe it.
Well, if it pleases you to be frustrated with the REALITY of what EVE is who am I to change that.

So before each gank the gankers needs to send a private message with the disclaimer: " Dude, Iā€™m only attacking your game character, cool?" :rofl:

Who cares what they intent if you donā€™t let it bother you?
Right now some ganker is reading your posts and having the time of his lifeā€¦ because I know I am.

Are you getting mad? :rofl: Donā€™t be mad, Iā€™m not your enemy, Iā€™m just posting what I feel and thinkā€¦ Unless that too is griefing in your book?

Do you take pills for paranoia? Iā€™m not downing on people who need them but you may need them as well. Youā€™re full of conspiracy theories.

So far Itā€™s YOU I see lobbing personal attacks. Hell, youā€™re attacking me calling me a ā€œshill altā€ just because I disagree with you so stop it with the victim act.

ā€œEquitableā€ can be understood in many ways. It doesnā€™t mean youā€™ll like the results and again, statements are a dime a dozen.

So a blog is harassment ? WOW. Good thing youā€™re not in charge of anything, Itā€™d be a tyranny within 2 months.

I agree, except that ganking is not griefing.

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Let me introduce you, to yourself:

I am not the liar here.

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Why wait , here it is

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Youā€™re the same guy who demanded on another thread that PvP was only combat PvPā€¦and who argued against there being any other kind of PvP. You change your spots every 5 minutesā€¦depending on which way the wind is blowing. Doesnā€™t matter how many times you contradict yourself, as long as you can spin some temporary narrative in which you are ā€˜rightā€™.

To me that is the very definition of a troll.

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Shame on you

Look whoā€™s creating a new storm again with himself at the very center.

Why not post something on topic, like how to better educate new players ?

So far your contributions on topic have been zero.

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Again wildly off topic.

Conspiracy Monday ?

thatā€™s exactly what you came here to do, in a thread about educating new players.

I understand you feel quite passionate about changing the game to your personal views. I strongly suggest you make your own soapbox thread with your favorite topic, and you may rest assured that it will stay on topic.

Tell us about how you helped new players, how that could be improved, or even implemented into the game ? The thread is not about you educating ccp or banging drums at them to change the game.

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Letā€™s be brief and to the point. So the answer to the question about your personal contributions to new player education is ā€œnothing in gameā€ ? And you have no views on how to educate new players ā€œin gameā€ ?

Thank you.

Will you please talk to @Dracvlad about that? Heā€™s been calling them ā€œganker shrillsā€ forever and refused to acknowledge he just had the wrong word. Thank you for using the correct word.

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Please point the reader in the right direction of your thread contributions as to ā€œHow can we best educate new players?ā€. Thank you.

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Fact is, some people are a rage quit just waiting to happen. If itā€™s not one reason, it will be another. You rattle on as if ganking were THE major bottleneck , when it is far from being the only one and is certainly not one of the major ones.

Eve is a hard game to get to grips with, and for all noobs there comes the realisation that it will take time. A lot of time. Those who join Eve expecting to rule the entire universe within a week are no doubt sorely disappointed to find they can barely rule a crappy mining Venture within that time.

Then thereā€™s the steep learning curve, and actually being bothered and incentivised to go for it. Could being ganked be the ā€˜last strawā€™ ? Possiblyā€¦but if it is then that person has already failed at Eve, because Eve requires a level of motivation that wonā€™t be put off by a single trivial noob ship loss.

That is the point you keep missing. Eve is a test. Most of what you are being tested forā€¦you have to have before you ever even sign up. If you donā€™t have it on first undockingā€¦it is already too late to acquire it.

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Oh gawdā€¦seriously ? Youā€™re so desperate for a contrived metaphor that you have to bring smoking into it ?

If it was a major contributor then youā€™d have the evidence to support that claim. Instead you rather deceptively tried to argue that because the griefer vs ganker presentation presented each as half the screen therefore each was half the problem. In fact, nothing in the presentation related ā€˜how muchā€™ portion each was.

Every form of entertainment in the manner of a game has specific rules and requirements and level of mastery to play. I gave up on the new Doom ( the only game I have ever given up on ) because I found the playstyle to damned awkward. I did not write to the developer and ask them to make the game easier for me. Not every game is for everyone. I excel at Skyrim, and in strategy games like Rome : Total War. But you donā€™t want to board a plane with me on Flight Sim.

A lot of Eve noobs are simply going to fall away quite naturally. Being ganked early on is a great test of resolveā€¦in a game that is ultimately all about survival.

Not hurling the PC out of the window over the loss of 2 pence worth of Venture is a good trait to have.

So what makes EvEā€™s learning curve so famous ? The "unintuitive UI " you say ?
smh

Call it what you will, itā€™s there, and itā€™s quite different from other games, whatever Lucas says.
So the topic of this thread is about shaving off some of the sharp edges of that learning curve, something he denies even exist.

Keep telling yourself
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Again and again you deviously use post hoc ā€˜reasoningā€™. In any logical argument you have to establish that ā€˜Aā€™ is actually true before you can argue ā€˜A therefore Bā€™.

See, this is where you excel at what is known as Kettle Logic. Constant use of mutually contradictory arguments. One minute, Eve is so deperately hard for noobs and the merest gank is driving them offā€¦then the next minute Eve is so easy a 5 year old could play it in their sleep, in which case avoiding being ganked is really easy.

Kettle logic (la logique du chaudron in the original French) is a rhetorical device wherein one uses multiple arguments to defend a point, but the arguments are inconsistent with each other.

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Noā€¦I am far from being the only person to have pointed out the sheer extent and frequency with which you contradict yourself. There are numerous examples, pointed out by quite a few others as well.

Carl Sagan famously coined the phrase ā€˜belief, in search of evidenceā€™. It is where a person has already made up their mind that a particular thing is true, and they gather together all manner of often contradictory ā€˜evidenceā€™ for it. They are often the last person to see just how contradictory all their ā€˜supportingā€™ stances are.

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