TBH that would depend on what is being said about PvP. If someone is talking about how to successfully engage in PvP mechanics (ie., win a specific type of PvP encounter) then in order to be credible they should be able to demonstrate some proficiency at that task.
If someone is talking about PvP-specific behavior in FW or Null, for instance, you’d pay more attention if that person had an active (and preferable successful) history in PvP in those areas.
However if one is talking about the overall PvP situation in EVE and with regards to the larger gaming market, than EVE combat mechanics are effectively irrelevant and now you’re talking about participation levels and observable statistics, such as those published by CCP and other game sources.
zKillboard and personal stats are relevant to some discussions, and entirely irrelevant to others.
So yes, there are no forum rules, anyone can ‘talk’. But readers choose who and what they’ll listen to.
But that’s a totally nonsense way of seeing it and shows how little you actually do PvP. Today’s solo gate camp ‘victim’ at the hands of some fleet with warp bubble will tomorrow be in a fleet himself giving payback. There are no perpetual victims or victors other than those who choose that role.
The true predator/prey relationship in EVE is like in the Vedas…’ I am food…I am the eater of food’
Even if one is talking about the overall PvP situation in EVE it helps their credibility if the talker can show they have at least experienced a variety of forms of PvP in EVE, which zkillboard is a decent tool for.
This is also why I realized in our discussion earlier that your surprisingly flawed interpretation of a couple of my zkillboard kills wasn’t out of malice, just out of inexperience.
Killboards are possibly one of the worst mechanisms introduced. The whole “name and shame” continues to this day and is one of the biggest disincentives for players to undock - let alone engage in combat.
I can’t agree with this, really. “Name and shame” only works if you allow yourself to feel shame from other peoples nonsense arguments.
Not only has zKillboard proved to be an invaluable resource for many EVE purposes, but public recognition of achievements is a known motivator for driving higher and more purposeful activity. I’d say EVE could actually benefit from more leaderboards. Most productive industrialist in the corp/constellation. Same for mining, or bounty kills, or loyalty points earned.
People will happily compete to get their name up in lights. It’s not necessarily a bad thing unless you allow it to be.
Well, I said you could have all the last words and comments you like. So just get it off your chest, man. It’s obviously still eating at you. Repression is bad for your health.
But just as a side comment to the whole “killboards are bad” thing, you should be aware (and are aware, I imagine), that in an environment as contentious and occasionally toxic as EVE is… there are valid reasons for posting from an alt you’re essentially inactive on.
Think people would scream bloody murder if other kinds of leader boards were created. Sometime the most successful want to stay under the radar so they are not targetted by others.
Really wealthy people dont advertise it.
That’s just pure nonsense. Its not about having some league table, as most of us would be nowhere near the top of it, but about a relative scale of who is to be reckoned with. Killboard basically gives you at least some indication of whether you might come out worst off if you attack someone.
If people want to say ’ haha, you lost your battlecruiser to an Enyo’ then let them. The point is it shows I had the experience…and more importantly probably learned from it. I mean, it was a silly and pointless loss and it is not ‘shame’ to admit so. Such losses have not stopped me undocking…I now just undock in something better.
Well then, as it relates specifically to EVE, it’s not a waste of time for me, because there is absolutely nothing else I could be doing right now anyway…
i mean, as already said, if you are enjoying what you do in EVE, it is not exactly wasted time.
what i was trying to say is, people tend to put way too much weight on things, that are happening in a fictional universe, generated by computers… as if it was their RL or something. in the end it simply is a game
In a game where alts are plentiful, the zkill of the posting character is not a reliable indicator of pvp skills.
This character has no zkill.
Some of my others have thousands.
