EVE never has been a casual game in any way, shape or form. And, 17 years in, it isn’t newbie friendly. It never really was newbie friendly, the way casual gamers define that, really, but no game is very friendly to newbies 17 years in, period.
Having said that, a new player can enjoy EVE, but it has to fit their niche, they have to have stamina to stick with the game (be interested enough to stay despite the difficulty of being a newbie), and they have to be flexible and adaptable (required for EVE in any case). It’s a small group of players who meet those criteria, no doubt, and that’s fine. A game with EVE’s design could never be a mass game in the true sense – it’s too niche, too quirky, too complex and at this point now too old as well.
When did you last play WoW?? As a long-term WoW player I have to say that what you have said is simply not true. You can play solo for as long as you want. And many, including myself, play solo long after we reach level cap and into endgame. Of course there is some gameplay you can’t do solo such as dungeons and raids but that is only a small part of the game. Just because you feel instances and raids are what make the game interesting does not hold true for all.
As to the actual topic, Eve allows a great deal for new and solo players and, as already stated in a previous post I would happily recommend it to others. Of course, there is much more content in Eve that is better playing with others compared with some other games (NOT WoW), much is available to those who prefer a more casual experience.
It is like wandering around the landfill and finding an antique piece of furniture half buried in the bags of trash: “Look at this! I can’t believe somebody would throw this away just because it was missing a few pieces and is kind-of beat up.”
CCP has gone to a lot of effort to share with the community the challenges they face bringing new players into the game and retaining them, and they have repeatedly asked for our help in doing so.
I wonder if during any of those four ganks anyone offered to give him advice like yours or they just laughed about it on comms and trolled him in local. It’s not a good experience when that happens.
And these “role players” who pretend to be “Kings of the Highsec Miner Vermin” are definitely not helping. We should try to empathize with them. Look at his age, understand he is new, that he may not understand the mechanics, what he is doing wrong, that he may not find any enjoyment being talked down to for mining, and offer to help the guy before he ends up on the forums like this and gives up (and everyone continues to tell him why he’s so bad). The judgment is part of the problem.
I’ll assume you don’t actually care about this game and haven’t bothered to listen to anything the CEO of CCP (and CCP Ghost, among others) have said for the past three years at every fanfest event on this topic. It’s painfully clear that the success of this game requires a deeper understanding toward new players in order to acclimate them and bring them on board and that an absolute ton of it does in fact come down to the very normal human feelings they have while experiencing their early game play. So sure, show me a crying dog. Let’s not actually consider how our behaviors may be making things better or worse.
You assume quite incorrectly but sure you betcha champ…many many people like you have said the exact same things ad naseum for well over 1.5 decades now.
I’m well aware of what people have been saying for the past 15 years. I’ve been through all of them. Are you aware of what CCP has been saying for the past 3? Hilmar and Ghost have spoken at length about this many times now. They’ve shared the data. They’ve shared the studies. They’ve shared their reasons behind it all.
Note I didn’t say “hey don’t gank that guy.” I said “I wonder if anyone bothered to help him after the fourth gank in a row.” Hilmar himself said people don’t like to look stupid, that losing their ships (solo, having not made any friends to support them yet, to laugh about it with, to help them get back on their feet) causes them to LEAVE. He said those are people who could grow to become part of the PvP community if their experience was different.
What’s wrong with saying “you know, that guy is new. He clearly doesn’t understand what he’s doing wrong. Maybe instead of pushing him out of the game we should try to help him.”
When he gets to the forums and complains in this way, maybe he and this game would be better served by trying to support him instead of always attacking them and saying Eves not for you and goodbye we don’t want you here anyway.
Why the hell don’t we want to encourage them? Why do we want to do the opposite?
Eve is still a sandbox game, under the massive theme park structure being constructed. Daily log in rewards, holiday themed “festivals”, cash shop, free-to-play account levels, half finished concepts that were implemented to early, oh, and just like all the big companies, throwing millions of dollars at dead end projects like phone games instead of investing in the flagship product.
There’s still sand in there somewhere. Maybe.
There’s a lot more than this, but this is when they began taking about it as a subject that they knew they couldn’t ignore anymore. You can watch any keynote from 2017 onward (whether in Vegas, North, Down Under, doesn’t matter, it’s in all of them) and they discuss the topic. I’ve seen all of them and they don’t just repeat themselves. They’re all unique talks so it can send you down quite a rabbit hole. I think these two are when they started putting it all together.
So let me get this straight. Some whiner quits Eve (allegedly). You come by and you do some sort of thought experiment where you imagine that the gankers mistreated this guy. This is based on nothing. Now you are posting a selection of CCP videos that say we shouldn’t be mean to each other . . . Even though we have no reason to think anybody was mean. Is that right?
Someone asked me to share some videos on the subject so I did. A lot of what you said is false and I’m not interested in engaging with you from a false premise. I’ve seen enough of your posts to know you’re not really here to discuss anything with substance.
Aw shucks. I was hoping a bit of prodding would force this guy to interface with reality - perhaps with entertaining results. Unfortunately his response was not entertaining at all. Some people just cannot be reached, I guess.
We’ll see if these videos satisfy @Wadiest_Yong
I doubt it.
