by your logic, if you had subbed up you would have paid to lose.
@Caleb_Seremshur The game does have documentation. It is documented by the community. It is a rare thing that I cannot find information on how to do something in the game by checking community information. This game is a sandbox. CCP has given us the tools. We are expected to explore the game on our own. That includes learning what we can do.
Once upon a time gamers were smart enough to figure things out for themselves, instead of needing everything spoon-fed while having their hands held for every single minute. That’s a feature, not a bug.
Okay, I want to address a few points here:
Firstly @Triana_en_Chalune, if you’re still reading this… you were out foxed you died that is part of Eve. This may very well not be a game for you, but don’t make that decision of a single bad experience. Eve is very complex. Because Eve is largely unscripted you must learn by doing. Sometimes you will win, and sometimes you will lose.
I understand that losing is frustrating, the best thing you can do is move on and learn from it. Often asking the people who killed you what you did wrong is a good step. Sometimes they will mock you, but they will often help as well.
Regarding Eve being pay to win, you could really make that argument about most games. Ever since the birth of Eve there has been a $15 a month subscription fee and a trial. The trial used to be 14 days after that you either had to pay or you were out. Given how complex Eve is 14 days didn’t cut it. A while ago CCP enabled people to have a limited free to play experience. When people asked me I used to call it an unlimited trial, with recent changes to alpha clones it really is more of a game-style option now. However, as you noted Alphas do have limited access, this is primarily for balance. A lot of alphas have asked me why they are unable to use cloaks, and without playing this game for a while it’s very hard for them to appreciate the reasons, but it comes down to balance.
And yes, CCP wants you to pay a subscription fee, after all this is one method of income generation they use to pay for the development and expansion of Eve. Omega’s have access to more skill points, more advanced ships and weapons, but this doesn’t mean they will win every battle. Alpha’s can and do still kill Omegas, they still can and do get away from Omegas trying to kill them. You just need to learn these tactics.
So I hope you give it another go, perhaps find a new pilot friendly group who can help you.
@Caleb_Seremshur CCP has tried in the past to provide documentation on all things Eve. At the end of the day, there is just too much, this is the nature of a good sandbox. They instead teach you the basics of how to do things. They have the knowledge base, the ingame tutorial system, tutorial videos, and the occasional forum guide. Though the best thing they have done in my mind is given players the tools to help others. That way they can help with the basics while developing Eve while dedicated players are able to help teach the newer generations of players the more advanced things.
I personally have not seen CCP trying to document anything other than maybe patch notes.
I have witnessed the EvE players trying to document via Uniwiki and another site which no longer exists. I feel if Uniwiki stops existing, the consequences to everyone could be extremely negative.
Let me be clear, I understand CCP’s stance on “let the players do it”. I just happen to personally think that policy is total ■■■■ and cant be explained in any other way. I have seen similar decisions by other games lately, which haven’t added anything to the game when the site collapses. Counting on players to provide all the information only lasts as long as those players last.
Since most the information would mostly benefit Hi-sec players it seems its just another CCP go ■■■■ yourself to Hi-sec, hows that policy doing for you?
I don’t need to hear a zillion “well join a corporation”. Because if you are so stupid to realize the answer to not wanting to play with toxics is to join them then you probably need to look at yourself.
But hey we don’t need new people right? If you look at the numbers you sure are getting less and less.
@Sugar_Smacks At one point Eve had it’s own wiki type of site that you could go to to learn things. It was fairly sparse, but it was there. I think this was like 10+ years ago though.
For a long time there was the evelopedia, this had everything from guides to lore and everything in between. The Evelopedia was maintained by CCP, a team of player volunteers whose entire focus was the wiki and most pages were editable by players.
The picture above is something I link players in rookie help on a regular basis. This outlines just some of the possible activities. There is a lot a pilot can do. It’s not like other games where everyone progression is fixed. You go and do this set of quests in area a and then move to area b to do the next set like the thousands of players before and after you.
Out of the hundred or so players I interacted with in the help channels today, some will go to null sec, some will go to low, wormhole, some will stay in highsec. They will do many different things. They will do a large number of activities listed above.
That is a lot for any one group to document, CCP tried they were unable to do it fully. As such they document mechanics, but guides on how to do things are usually left to the players. It is not just a question of allocate-able resources but it’s also because players find ways to do things the developers never imagined.
Remaining completely neutral for a second, I have a hell of a lot of respect for Eve Uni, not just their wiki but their classes, their lectures, the guest lectures they have. Like so many other amazing new player groups out there they do amazing work in helping players new and old.
The reason they can do it, is because it is the main thing they do.
Edit:
@Alua_Oresson https://wiki.eveonline.com. The article about it’s retirement: https://www.eveonline.com/article/evelopedia-shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/
As much as I miss evelopedia, when it was shut down there was a handful of sites, usually publicly editable wikis that were more up to date and had a better coverage of information. New player organizations have more man hours, and a better structure to look after these things.
Bye! …
I was unaware it was closed so recently. When I last used it, I found it to be lacking information other sites had.
That was very much the problem with Evelopedia. Even with the huge effort from the people involved they couldn’t keep up with changes as well as large in game organizations who specialized in the same thing. When you have a site that is way ahead of the official wiki, more people go to the other one so more people update it and it just spirals.
So, you’re complaining about the community of a community-driven game that you do not want to play with and in the same paragraph do the same thing you accuse those players of doing.
I think the non toxic community of Eve university and Evelopedia have picked the slack up of official documents that should of been in game a while ago. Its too bad you have to go through other players to find this information because god knows how many assholes you had to talk to first.
My last experience when you “leave it up to the players” is the players deleted everything they can to get some kind of imposed edge on everyone else.
Why does it matter who makes the cheat sheets?
If you want to cheat-to-win you just use google. Its not hard.
Because it would be an enormous opportunity for CCP to help sell its game. Or maybe because the information would actually be accurate instead of just accurate usually. Or maybe it gives a solid reference in game to go find information that is always pointed to some 3rd party tool.
I disagree with the whole spam of 3rd party tools and no official CCP tools.
Sugar, when CCP did have their own official wiki for players they didn’t have the man power to keep it up to date. Therefore, it was less accurate than the player run ones. With things changing as regularly as they do, they just can’t do it.
Which is not a thing that people are caring about when they complain about when they cant be bothered typing “CONCORD timer EVE” into google.
This isnt even about Evelopedia, this is just about putting endless tutorial text and radio mommies into a game already packed with tables and switches.
Its really like complaining that aircraft manunfacturers would sell more aeroplanes if they put a manual about flight in every plane.
The information is there, its irrelevant where it comes from.
What on earth makes you think that?
And besides, this again is one niche part of the game (Meta-exploration and learning) that people want removed and replaced with “Here’s every secret revealed!”.
I guess some people just really hate mystery.
They could if they want, but apparently it’s not profitable enough to do so (anymore). It’s a pure economic decision.
Pay to win?
Since when you have to pay to quit EVE?
Because that is the only way to win EVE, by quitting (out of losing interest or available time / ability to play) and the only way to lose is by rage quitting.
OP, everything you did was wrong and bound to failure via your own fault.
Bye.