It is pay to play, not pay to win. Even the best ship doesn’t garanty you a win, if you don’t know how to fit and fly it properly. Even a well fitted and well flown frigate can get you a lot of kills. But even the best pilot can fly in a trap and get killed.
You have to learn how to fly and that takes time and ideally friends to learn from. Fly safe.
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Over the last decade and a half many have thought Eve to be pay to win, spending real cash to buy plex and then selling for isk to buy the shiniest ships and modules that they can.
Invariably it ended in tears, their tears; because all the money in the world can’t substitute for experience, knowledge and skill. Here’s a recent example of someone who thought Eve was pay to win and if he spent enough he’d be better than others.
In summary you lost because you don’t have the experience and knowledge that comes with time, you didn’t lose because the players that killed you paid a subscription for what has always been a subscription based game.
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IMO, there’s still hope for exiting players who take the time to lay out and defend their grievances so thoroughly instead of just quitting and playing something else.
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Working as intended.
EVE is not for you if you can do the above and have a problem with the consequences.
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By the rules of the game he got beaten fair and square.
He chose to play a full-time PvP sandbox game with full loot mechanics.
He had a choice between a free unlimited time period with access to only some of the things or a 30 day subscription model with access to all off the things.
He chose to fly a shitfit cruiser he had no business flying in the first place.
He chose to go into lowsec.
That’s not a grievance, it’s a cascade failure fuelled by his own decisions.
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for most of MMO today, you can go and solo them, only have to join party for dungeon and raid… here in this game, you need support, help, friends/corporation to start.
yes, you need to learn and adapt and that’s great!
it’s not really pay to win as alpha fit doing huge damage to player’s asset (i’ve some ouch kill)
you need time and advice ! no full t2 ship without skills
there’s channel dedicaced to newbro, ask all you want to know,there’s always someone to give you (not pay to win) advice!
o/
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Ok, let me be more constructive than my previous snarky post. I’ve spent a lot of time in Low and lost a lot of ships in low.
- You were in Low, expect to get blown up at all times. People who live in low are looking for targets.
- If there is anyone else in the system, assume they want to blow you up because they probably do.
- Learn to use your D-Scan, it’s your only warning device.
- If you insist on not paying for a subscription, you’re asking for trouble by going into Low.
- Anyone who picks a fight has likely already won. They have friends, experience, etc…
- Find an empty system if you can. This is possible, but there will be frequent roaming gangs looking to blow you up.
- Pay for a subscription, get a cloaking device, and follow this rule: The second you see another player in the system, Cloak First and ask Questions Later.
Low has those rare minerals because it’s dangerous. If it was safe, those minerals wouldn’t be rare. There are lots of other tips you might want to research such as setting up safe spots (which are only safe for a short time without a cloak), instant undock bookmarks so you can boogie out of a station quickly (these also don’t work every time), fit your ship for agility so you can run faster than they can lock you (also doesn’t work every time), etc…
Without a group, no one is coming to help you. Low is that sh***y neighborhood that the cops don’t patrol. Either run, hide, or have a bigger gang than they do. Those are pretty much your only options.
I fly solo, so I choose Run and Hide. Or Hide and Run… depending.
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This here.
Especially, since in this type of sandbox, sometimes the players stump the developers. Who ever expected people to be able to live out of wormholes? The designers sure didn’t - they even said so: https://www.eveonline.com/article/into-the-known-unknowns
The community has quite a few documentation resources - the problem is that sometimes these resources find themselves without updates because players move on with lives; other games, or other interests. Sometimes these resources are picked up by others, usually though, they’re replaced - especially if the content changed. Some of the older PI databases are still kicking, because PI hasn’t changed in a very long while. OTOH, ship and module designs get updated enough that ship design sites come and go.
–GadgetCorp Designing the Future
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I gotta ask. What is this even?
–Gadget will not Google this at work… seems naughty
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You know, the tutorial voice over.
“Agent Zero, you have been tasked with a mission of world importance. But first, lets see if you still remember those skills? Ok, in front of you is a table. Pick up the gun by pressing X. Good, now walk over to the mirror. Excellent! I see its coming back. Now, the next part is tricky. PLace the gun to your head, and tap X. If you are as good as they say, you shouldnt find this a problem.”
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Ah. Never heard the term before. Thanks.
–Appreciative Gadget
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If you got podded in lowsec (Thats not a smartbombing rokh) then youre just terrible.
Toxic.
My initial reaction is ‘bye’
Defensive reaction is that this is a subscription game, not pay to win but pay to play. You are in the free account status and expect to be allowed access to all that the subscribers get? ‘bye’
Out of curiosity what makes you think that you should be able to mine with impunity in lowsec. Or kill any ship that offends you without consequences? As a fish when you eat the bait, you get the hook.
but since your header is ‘you give up’?
bye
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I agree and sorry to see the OP is leaving the game. Course it’s definitely understandable and for good reason too, another lost subscription in a long line of lost subs
Most of the stuff in those other wiki’s were ‘copy & paste’ from Evelopedia. Also those other wiki’s are not so up to date like CCP claims they are.
The main problem with Evelopedia was that CCP stopped updating / downloading the Item Database info into it, years before they even decided to discontinue it. Some of the guides in it needed some editing updates but the Lore and most of the PvE content in Evelopedia was accurate and still is even today.
What really hurt Evelopedia was CCP letting a bug stay active in it for a long time that wouldn’t allow players to edit content in it. Then when CCP finally fixed that bug, they had snowballed so many changes in-game that the job of updating Evelopedia was overwhelming to say the least. Those who did try to update it realized CCP’s bug fix wouldn’t even register their correct character.
Course by then CCP had pretty much thrown in the towel on Evelopedia, just like they did to their own Official Forums. Over the years I’ve noticed CCP has a bad habit of making excuses for ignoring and then discontinuing content which should have been their priority for maintaining and updating. CCP would much rather have players create and use out of game 3rd party apps then do the work themselves. Definitely less stuff for CCP to be concerned about.
Hell, players are once again using 3rd party apps for the map and finding agents, tools that worked well within the game before CCP decided to mess with them. Eventually the same thing will probably happen to Ghost Fitting too.
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This really is intresting topic! When i first started to play eve i literally watched youtube videos and read the forums about all aspects of the game until i finally decided to give it a go. I stayed off from low sec for many months until i found out that there were cheap ships on firesale out there. And yes you all might see what happens next… i got destroyed in a gatecamp. After that i just bought a new ship and went back there a little later and made some decent profit off that trip anyway. Theres so much cool things to try when you are training up the skills to go to low sec. And like many has stated here before ask for help or be willing to spend time learning about various aspects of the game from google and youtube
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Triana en Chalune, EVE is an attitude check. I’m sorry, but you seem to be failing that test.
An unsuccessful eve player gets blown up and immediately thinks “this is unfair, this sucks, I quit”.
A successful eve player gets blown up and thinks “hmm, I failed, but other people are playing this game and enjoying it, I must be doing something wrong. I should dedicate myself to finding out what I did wrong so i can not do that in the future”.
Ironically, the thing that makes one able to survive and thrive in EVE works the exact same way in real life. People who give up and blame external things never get anywhere, the people that shrug it off and keep moving forward while realizing that the only thing they can truly control is themselves do great things.
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Please leave EvE.
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This post is so insipid that I would prefer to just avoid it entirely, but a few brief comments.
If you want, I’m sure anyone in this thread would be more than happy to give you a comparable thrashing using only an alpha account and none of them items you’ve deemed “pay-to-win”, though I doubt you’ll feel any better once you’ve lost the “pay-to-win” excuse for your failure.
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