I got player fraud, and lost nearly all of my asset

Well he does not know if a gank fleet is incoming or not and if it is then his chances are reduced significantly if he logged as a good part of his tank is switched off.

His best course of action is to call for help in the Anti-Ganking channel and ask for people to give him warp outs and to get people to do shield logi on him.

I organised to save a bowhead by getting an AG player to do a warp out for it as the gank fleet arrived in system, he then warped to the station and docked by using his MWD to get into warp before they managed to get on him again with combat probes.

1 Like

From my understanding, as long the bumper say has a reason to do it (ransom) you are allowed to bump a single person for 23 hours and 45 minutes every day if you feel like it.

1 Like

Got to agree with you. If one sits at the keyboard for one and a half hour only to bump a ship then something’s wrong with the bumper, too, unless he’s using a macro or bot for it ofc. When one cannot let go of a target for this long then it goes from game-play to being stupid and boring to being sort of player harassment. One has got to let go at some point and if it gets beyond 15 minutes then one should let go even if it’s just for the sake of one’s own sanity.

1 Like

Oh right forgot about tank. Also good point about calling for help, though I’ve assumed he would have done that during the first hour of the situation if he could so didn’t consider that as an option in his case.

Still sounds more fun as an activity than let’s say mining for hours no end. :wink:

Well actually Rorqual mining is pretty dope for ISK and I have the amusement of watching hardened nullsec PvP players mining, though part of that fun is of course the fact of being able to use their big toys to save their Rorquals…

No. Mining has far more complexity to it if only you let it. Or you can just go afk and watch some video or whatever. Bumping means to repeat the manoeuvre over and over again, and again and again and again … That’s got to kill a few brain cells.

Was just my persional view, obviously if someone enjoy it then they will find it fun nevertheless and if they do all the more power to them to do it and have their fun doing so.

Well as an Alpha I only have experience with mining in a Venture and extrapolated that experience. I still rather manual pilot bump someone for hours than manage mining lasers and occasionally warp to station or drop off ore to a hauler and whatnot. But of course that is my personal opinion some people tend to enjoy it so it is all subjective.

Though it is still just a choice between two “evils” and I rather do something else entirely instead, which is what I do anyway, not into mining nor ganking, though rarely I mine for one reason or another but only like a few times a year and that is enough for me.

As for AFK mining, obviously I was talking about comparing the two activities from a non-afk perspective.

Ok, this may be true. But you don’t think that even with all the evilness in mind that there is an actual person on the other side who you’ve been grieving for hours? Does this mean nothing to you?

The OP wants to call the police because they were stupid in an online game. This is the world we live in, I guess.

Never bumped but as this is a game and as bumping is part of the game I can’t consider it being “evil” nor that the person being bumped should take it personally, simply the game being played as intended and sometimes you are on the winning side sometimes on the losing one… other cases the laughing third-party. :smiling_imp:

So no if I was engaging in bumping activities I would have zero reason to feel bad about it and if the other player overreacts the situation, tries to bring it out of context and tries to put blame on someone just playing the game as intended then the issue is with this player not the one bumping him.

Oh and yes before anyone brings that up, even if I am at the other side of the situation I would just accept it as being part of the game, learn from it and carry on, but to be honest most people would do as I would if I was to haul stuff and take proper precautions and only haul what can afford to lose anyway.

No, what I meant with evil is that one can certainly play as an evil person and enjoy it. It’s just a role one plays.

What I was curious about was is how young you are. A very young person, who is still mostly innocent, might not think anything at all and do this for hours. But since you’ve said you’ve never bumped anyone then you must already have a reason for it, which is fine.

If I was on the other side then I’d just minimize the window and continue playing with my alt. I don’t have time for this kind of game-play.

1 Like

Roleplay evil is another subject I was more adding my response considering the OP who seems to blame people for playing the game with this feature included. It is not convenient nor satisfactory but as I wrote sometimes you win sometimes you lose. And yes the switching to an alt is a good alternative if he can.

Not sure what age and/or innocence has to do with this, kind of pointless to bring such into the subject. There are innocent old people and evil children and everything in-between and beyond so completely irrelevant what age someone is nor even how innocent they are, bumping by its own is not about being innocent or evil, it is just playing the game with this feature included, some may do it for some shady reason but that is beyond the subject. The “victim” of bumping should not take it personally unless some valid reason warrants it.

I haven’t bumped not because I wouldn’t do it, more because it feels boring gameplay to me to do so and I rather do more exciting stuff like stealing stuff in Jita. This is as well just my personal preference. Still I would have no issue bumping someone for hours from a moral perspective so no such reasoning behind why I don’t do it myself.

And yes I agree it is an inconvenience so doesn’t worth wasting time on (for the “victim” I am talking about now) but as it is currently a legit (not banned or forbidden) part of the game.

That’s kinda the point, yeah.

1 Like

It is a difficult one to get into, in terms of a person, you see I see the game as a hard game in parts on which you test yourself.

You soon find out what is easy and what is impossible, what makes you a very difficult victim, such as VNI ratting in nullsec, cheap and effective and if you are aware damn difficult to catch and often results in dead tackle, or what makes you an immensely easy victim, moving stuff in hisec in a freighter with this bumping mechanic.

There has been and are bad mechanics in the game, some have been changed over time, others have been left to fester, people take advantage of them, some are protected because it is a group of players that add content in the opinion of some, though the content of being bumped for one and a half hours before giving in and doing something foolish is not my cup of tea.

What I have done over the years is try to point out to CCP their errors in game balance, this is where the players who are victims see themselves as victims of CCP’s mechanics or poor balancing rather than player action, this loses players. Bumping is one of them, and this trick bumping is perhaps the worst, because the person actually blames CCP for the naff mechanic of bumping and then his own stupidity. And then as he does not like looking stupid, he walks away.

From my perspective it is a mechanic that makes it too easy, and also too easy to make someone look very stupid, when in fact it is a high level of emotional desperation that give rise to that decision to do a duel based on such a naff mechanic.

But my main issue with it is that it is too easy in terms of risk and reward. The gankers can gank without bumping, they proved this the other day taking out a JF from my corp without bumping, just suicide points. No one in their right mind would complain about that, I did not, in fact I say well played, and pity the loot fairy was so harsh… :stuck_out_tongue:

PS Note that they can bump some one and hold them there while getting enough characters to gank it, I find that the most naff part of this mechanic, in that it is such a dead cert. I would think that having to catch them with a prepared gank like my corps JF is fun for both sides and more of a challenge.

Amadeo the italian space plumber is my hero

I’m kinda baffeled that every time this comes up, no one looks at this from the other side.

I mean the longer you get bumped the longer you have time to organize help. There are various things you can do with a couple of friends or alts around to secure the freighter.

But just to assume that it should be possible to ship billions of ISK in freight with a capital ship without escort and without any effort seems contrary to what EVE is. And that instead of organising help you should be able to just wait 15min for a timer to save you is just beyond bad game design for a sandbox.

Just remember this the next time ag cries about how fast CONCORD responses are and that this leads to stale gameplay because how fast it all goes down. And then you have mechanics where they have hours to do something, but all they do is cry on the forums to get it removed so the only thing left will be that fast gank and the circle of tears closes again.

2 Likes

Not the point, Ima. Obviously did the bumper not organize a ganking fleet. If anyone was lacking the friends then it’s the bumper.

I find there needs to be some time limit on it, especially since we have paying players and non-paying players. I’m sure you are paying for your accounts and wouldn’t want an alpha to somehow block your game for hours. You want to move on, by either having your ship popped for good, or for the other player to give up, but not to drive the game for both of you into a stalemate until the next downtime comes.

You can’t be serious. I don’t care if someone paid for the game or not, seriously the way this game is monetized is CCP’s problem and I don’t want to encounter any of it IN the game. I even think different access to modules and ships like it is today reeks of pay2win and that is a problem they created on their own when they introduced alphas.

But this is not really the issue here since the bumper has an alt and then he is 100% an omega anyway.

How long do you think the guy will bump you if you tell him you watch TV and don’t care if he does not have a gank fleet. They don’t bump for pure fun, but to get that loot and you make it clear that a scam will not work they will not waste their time with you.

But I guess it is easier to just hope for CCP to fix that so everyone can just wait 15min or 5 to automatically warp off.

I hope I don’t have to mention that this will completely remove the bumping for ransoms.

1 Like

You see I, after intense day at work , usualy take one hour of peaceful mining as best activity to calm down.