P player/ganker
V versus/shoots
P player/afk miner
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A miner engaging is active efforts to avoid being ganked, whether that is avoiding busy locations, using Dscan, etc etc etc. is ALSO pvping. That miner (player) is putting in effort (versus) to avoid the ganker (another player). It’s really simple, see. Has nothing to do with personal opinions on how one agrees or disagrees with what kind of interaction it is, if you’re competing with another player… it’s pvp.
Aiko is trolling the hell out of you because of your refusal to accept basic logic and facts. Don’t get me wrong, I’m certainly no fan of that sort of trolling, or trolling at all, nor a fan of Code or whatever derivative but you sure are asking to be trolled.
That’s the post that started it… I guess…
And it came to this:
It’s arguable if the initial post was wrong but maybe it clarifies a bit.
To me, it’s not only about semantics, I think there is more to it than just putting all under PVP when the discussion is about one type of encounter. They are simply not the same.
Now, if you have an idea for making a distinction, go ahead.
If it’s all the same, ok… no problem. You all know it has nothing to do with my position on ganking. I’ve told you many times, it’s there for destruction, it makes a huge part in economics and if destruction is so necessary, there should be more, lots more of it. Perhaps with some clever variation but it’s current state leads to little destruction and more creation.
There’s your problem. It doesn’t matter what you think of it, or I or little Timmy over there. What matters is what IS. Technically it’s pvp and this is a pvp game so if you’re arguing with a known ganker and you don’t get beyond “I don’t think it’s actually pvp” then what is the point of even having the conversation?
The Mad Man of Athens is the story of over estimating your own powers and abilities.
The story goes that every day a man would stand on the cliffs overlooking the Athenian harbor.
He would point to a ship far out at sea and “command” it to come into port.
He would point to a ship in the harbor and “command” it to go out to sea.
He thought himself the most powerful man in the world because the ships would seemingly come and go all day by his command; When in reality the ships at sea would come in and the ones in harbor would go out on their own accords.
But he took credit for it, believing he commanded them and thus was the most powerful man in the world.
Folks, please keep in mind that the best way to ‘gank’ a forum troll is to not respond to any post that is simply there to troll or to trigger meaningless argument.
You can’t win a game of “define what this means” with a troll, because they don’t want to agree on reasonable terms of discourse. They just want to argue, and preferably be able to pretend they ‘won’ the argument.
You can call it ship combat versus PKing (player-killing), you can call it space battles, you can call it military conflict, it won’t matter - they will turn every definition around and say that a Catalyst shooting a Venture or a HAC shooting a pod is a perfectly valid fight.
So ignore all that, it’s just them begging for an argument. Allow and accept all types of ganking and PKing as part of EVE.
That still leaves us with the issue that more and better avenues of ship combat are possible, and CCP is neglecting all of those (even the ones already in the game), through either complacence or incompetence.
It’s at least better to argue about what would constitute more interesting areas of combat and destruction, than to let the trolls sideline things into a discussion of what’s PvP and what isn’t.
Which is one of their tactics for making sure real ship combat is never a focus. (Although it’s mostly just they need someone to argue with for their sense of validation.)
More terrible analogies by a carebear. A sucker punch in NYC or a car crash don’t amount to explicit consent by both parties, whereas playing EVE does. Playing EVE, effectively, is like stepping into a boxing ring with someone. You can choose not to punch anyone, and just play around by bouncing on the ropes and dancing around. But anyone else in there with you is entitled to punch you however they want, within the confines of the rules of a boxing match.
That means you started after the current system went live, and never experienced the old iterations, so there’s no way for you to know how it was like, neither from the perspective of players doing the wars, nor from their targets (which weren’t always non-PvP targets, like they are today).
Let me put it to you this way: like all other players, you’re entitled to an opinion. But your opinion is that of a novice user, and not of an established veteran or content creator. You are a (relatively) new player coming into an ecosystem with ideas of how it should be changed, but you don’t have the experience and knowledge to view things through a more objective lens, and won’t unless you do a lot of research into the history of the game.
LOL
What kind of pussy-footed, passive-aggressive threat is that? Maybe you’ll ask me to trash all my assets to prove that I’m not afraid of losses, or to give up the identities of all of my alts to prove that I actually play the game too? Literally two things that alt-posting trash-talkers have asked me to do on these forums recently. Why don’t you do your own dirty work?
You literally said that it took you years to learn how to make a courier contract. I would understand weeks, or a month, but not years. The observation that you’re an unskilled gamer is very much objective in that regard.
This is already possible. Some encounters are ganks. Some encounters are duels. Some encounters are fleet fights. Some encounters are suspect flag baits. Etc. Etc.
