I WAS A CODE. SPACE BULLY

[Xeux]

The tool you are looking for already exists. Quick-locking tackle frigates pin down gank catalysts at gates and allow the faction police to destroy the gankers.

[Kezrai_Charzai]

Well, I’m not an expert on PvP as the EVE setup for it isn’t particularly interesting to me. However I’m pretty sure you mean

• “near insta-locking tackle frigates can do this” - which already isn’t a general tool
• against “gankers that either still have their 15-minute flag on, or are at -5.0 standings, or have a killright on” - which means does absolutely nothing against most gankers who are simply lying in wait for a target
• and “assuming you can get your fast-locking tackle frigate to the same gate where the ganker is in the 4 seconds before he warps away”

So yeah, you’ve basically got a snowball’s chance in hell that your average player is going to be able to use that ‘tool’ against someone who ganked him.

Gankers have various tools for ganking, for repairing their standings, for remaining comparatively safe while they wait for an appropriate target. Killrights are a decent tool for anti-ganking, but are underused and relatively obscure, especially for newer players. Simple improvements like fixing the useless bounty system would expand the options for retaliation.

[Galaxy_Pig]

@zazzmatazz_Xu

Allowed yes, moral, from a standard in my view it is not moral to bother those minding their own business,

LMAO welcome to EVE Online! lololol

@zazzmatazz_Xu

And you answered it, those that engage in it know what they are doing it for, kicks to see what they can do to get a rise out of another,

Actually, the rise we get out of people is just kind of a hilarious bonus.

[Ahari_Chent-Shi]

While this was unnecessarily aggressive and unconstructive, I still appreciate your involvement with the Eve community.

[Knowledgeminer]

@Ahari_Chent-Shi

To be honest, I’d like to see CONCORD taken out of the whole equation. I realize it was once meant as a deterrent againt shenanigans in hisec, but it’s plain to see that that deterrent doesn’t matter to gankers when their entire doctrine is built around disposable 4mil isk catalysts.

This is wrong. Don’t confuse CONCORD not making high sec safe with not making it safer…

CONCORD does make a big difference to the safety of high sec. It severely limits the options available to the gankers and makes unprofitable targets that would be profitable otherwise. That gankers still have options available to them (as they should) does not mean in any way that CONCORD doesn’t matter to them…

[Galaxy_Pig]

@Kezrai_Charzai

You can’t do anything,

There it is! Carebear defeatism.

Carebears actually have all the tools they need to protect their assets. You’ve just convinced yourself you are powerless, hell, you probably are.

[Nicolai_Serkanner]

@Ahari_Chent-Shi

unconstructive

I gave solid advise ( learn how to play the game), how constructive does it need to be before something gets through your thick head?

[Ahari_Chent-Shi]

If you feel the need to resort to personal insults, I would suggest stepping away from the interaction for a brief time. I’m sure there are multiple community based mental health resources available to you if you feel you cannot contribute in a positive manner.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Ahari_Chent-Shi

disregard because I’m an idiot.

hmmmm

[Knowledgeminer]

@Kezrai_Charzai

Yeah, sorry, but imaginary kills you made against imaginary gankers who also aren’t on zKill aren’t really something I can refer to.

Indeed. You could, however, make you look less of a fool by showing you’re aware you could be missing some relevant data when you post…

@Kezrai_Charzai

I’ll just go ahead and use the publicly available data

Nothing wrong with that. You could, however, make you look less of a fool by showing you’re indeed using all the relevant data that’s publicly available. You’re not even doing that.

@Kezrai_Charzai

which says you use expensive high-end ships to make repeat weaksauce kills against paperthin gankfit targets.

That’s not what it says. That’s what you’re showing you’re able to gather from it. For you to be able to gather everything that the publicly available data says, you would need to know what you’re talking about and how all this stuff works, which you obviously don’t. It just proves, yet again, how clueless you are and how you don’t see a problem making a fool of yourself by arguing about things you don’t understand and know nothing about…

@Kezrai_Charzai

However a 10 year vet using KRs and Lokis to gank a handful of players in weak ships isn’t really what I’d call “tools for the average player”.

You don’t understand, again. You’re confusing me flying those ships because they’re more effective for what I do (which you think you know but have no idea), with it not being possible to do those things (in a less effective way) flying something else that “the average player” might fly.

And again, there would be no need for me to have to explain such obvious things if you had the slightest idea what you’re talking about, which you don’t…

@Kezrai_Charzai

I’m not an expert on PvP

ROFLMAO @ “not an expert”…

@Kezrai_Charzai

“near insta-locking tackle frigates can do this” - which already isn’t a general tool

This says it all, really, but hey, don’t let that utter ignorance and unwillingness to learn stop you from keep making a fool of yourself at every opportunity…

For everyone else, dirty cheap frigs like a Slasher or a Condor, that any player can fly, are overkill for this…

[Aiko_Danuja]

Maybe you should train into a Loki, instead of an Orca?

[Nicolai_Serkanner]

Suggest all you want, doesn’t change the fact you’re an idiot.

[zazzmatazz_Xu]

@Galaxy_Pig

defeatism

I definitely agree with this, however strategy is not something everyone knows how to do, for now my strategy is simple, percentage and numbers along with spreading out the risk.

1. Assume gankers operate everywhere and assume they will get you.
   A. Counter it by watching out for them in local, if not accept the risk of AFK and build dozens of ships to mine in.

2. Put assets in different areas of new Eden.
   B. If you see activity in one area move elsewhere.

3. Percentage, with lot’s of systems the actual percentage of ganking is low, but, prepare for it by going cheap if you are going AFK, use T-1 mods to keep losses so cheap it’s only comedy if they do gank you, it cost them more (not that it matters), but if they get zero in anything it literally is wasting their time to get zero.

[Aiko_Danuja]

4. Talk to the gankers. Surrender.

[Xeux]

@zazzmatazz_Xu

Percentage, with lot’s of systems the actual percentage of ganking is low, but, prepare for it by going cheap if you are going AFK, use T-1 mods to keep losses so cheap it’s only comedy if they do gank you, it cost them more (not that it matters), but if they get zero in anything it literally is wasting their time to get zero.

You guys are like kids that go to the water park and then refuse to jump in the water. Good God Man, Play Eve!

[Nicolai_Serkanner]

5. Buy a mining permit.

[zazzmatazz_Xu]

@Xeux

You guys are like kids that go to the water park and then refuse to jump in the water. Good God Man, Play Eve !

How so?

I’ve just given examples to people on strategies they may want to try, if you are implying fear I’m just 404’ing not found when gankers look for the payout “denied”

[Xeux]

You are giving instructions for grinding isk at the slowest possible rate, with the lowest possible engagement.

[Karak_Terrel]

6. Chose the right hull and ask a local ganker how to fit correctly and rest assured that they would have to sacrifice 10 times more ISK to kill you than even the killmail is worth (AKA no one will care about you). Go on, just ask…

The tools exist. Use them and stop crying.

[zazzmatazz_Xu]

@Karak_Terrel

ask a local ganker how to fit correctly

I’m sure it will be the best advice isk could buy