Under utilized tools have a tendency to find better hands.
They can be mistaken for trash.
So youâre saying youâre a bunch of tools?
Unprompted self-own. Really, you guys at definitely on your game.
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What most people forget here is out of all the pilots here you are by far the only one who is âcompetentâ. Many seem to think very highly of themselves but most of us sit in a rather shallow end of the capsuleer pool.
So while mistakes happen and Iâm far from perfect Iâd like to point out the reality of our little circleâs position.
When CVA got involved bigger kids joined the fight. That is a fact point blank. You want to do things in the name of the empire or state or what have you, itâs only because people not unlike Arrendis Allows you too.
You can mock, ridicule, harass or freeze us out of your circles here on the IGS but we collectively are small fish.
I do not know how big AM can grow however I wonât pretend I can challenge test, or goons or anyone like that but what I can do is build it enough so that SHOULD any larger groups get involved we can say we threw down and leave heads held high.
Iâll make mistakes, but I refuse to stagnate.
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Speak for yourself. Being part a small group doesnât equal incompetence. Thinking it does however, is pretty incompetent.
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No, but pretending you are affecting big change because someone larger then you didnât stop you is delusional.
And thatâs exactly what happened.
Arrendis could have called goons down at any time she waited till CVA arrived.
She let you get that far say for nothing the others who piled in at the end.
You are small, you refuse to grow, you canât take on any who escalates.
Once again, if the price of growing is needing to work with Blooders or Sansha, then Iâd rather lose nobly. An Amarr Empire in debt to or dependent on heretics is no longer the Amarr Empire.
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You assume much and no one said it was the only way.
Noble implies you did everything you can.
Iâm not the Empire, Iâm not Imperial, Iâm a Khanid Holder who is using the tools at my disposal.
Absolute nonsense. Doing everything you can includes all the things that are not noble, including the things that are antithetical to the whole notion of acts of nobility. I am one of the people most vocal on these boards when it comes to doing what must be done, but trying to pretend this will ever be a noble pursuit is absolute tosh.
Where you have failed, massively, is that youâve skipped right over finding the line where it goes from âdoing what must be doneâ to âlol, whatever we wannaâ then you skidded on your arse across that line while every hint of ânobilityâ was discarded entirely.
Make no mistake. Doing what must be done very much includes finding where the cut-off point for that goes, and never crossing it. Otherwise, you go straight from necessary evil to just vile evil with no justification. So far, you havenât demonstrated a single justification or event that makes any of your choices ânecessaryâ, and have in fact fallen very far short of the performances of entities that stuck with certain standards and principles. You underdeliver while having rejected all notions of nobility or principle.
If this is what you can do with âall the tools at your disposalâ while those who limit themselves by principle and standards wildly outperforms you⌠well itâs starting to look more like âWe just donât want to have to deal with principles and limitationsâ more than doing what has to be done.
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Well when the summit actually wants to have a discussion about it Iâd be happy to go over it but as often people construe what they want and sling mud where they can as it suites their narrative to do so.
Except this has nothing to do with mudslinging, and everything to do with completely measurable metrics. AMâs performance has been sub-par by every definition, while having thrown all principle to the wind (attempts to recruit Sansha etc is all the example needed, especially given the whole âexperimentationâ bait, but itâs very far from the only example). Whereâs the mudslinging here? More importantly, when and where are you going to deliver the performance - the justification - for throwing the standards and principles of the nation youâre supposedly loyal to, to the winds?
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Wat?
Donât conflate size and competence. We have, hands down, some of the most incompetent people Iâve ever met. I donât âallowâ anyone to do anything. What do you expect Iâll do, get the Imperium to declare war? We tend to not work as single alliances. That means that thereâs even more inertia involved than normal, where high-secâs involved. And more cost, too.
Thatâs why our primary involvement was to attempt to defend Project Mehkios: PIRAT had wardecs on us. All of the administrative work and red tape was already dealt with. And even there, their use of a fall-back corporation allowed them to evade what we would or wouldnât âallowâ.
Not with that attitude!
No, seriously, look at Brave. One person screwed up, and that was the result. A bunch of rookie pilots deciding âwe donât need any of those jerks, letâs go and do what we likeâ⌠and they gathered everyone they could along the way. At one point, they were the largest capsuleer organization in New Eden, and even now, #4 is nothing to sneeze at.
You wonât pretend you can challenge the âbigâ alliances? Donât pretend. Just do it.
I had exactly the same ability to call goons down afterwards, too. And frankly, if Iâd known early on how long it was going to take for the Amarr to regain control of a planet in the very heart of their Empire, I might have waded into the bureaucratic mess needed to do it.
And then youâd have seen a whole lot of Goons get blown up by CONCORD because they shot the wrong idiot in high-sec. Seriously, wasnât kidding when I said âincompetentâ.
Now thatâs just silly. That means that skullduggery is noble. That assassination and the use of chemical and biological weapons are noble. Donât mistake âwhat aristocrats doâ for ânobilityâ. Just because someone claims noble rank doesnât mean they behave nobly.
In fact, from what Iâve seen, it usually guarantees they donât.
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Which I have repeatedly admitted too but doesnât stop me from striving to do better.
Simply the fact Iâve owned our mistakes especially tactically and yet you and others constantly harp on about it?
Well I didnât, The Khanid have a tradition of taking reformed of former agents of various ill repute and turning them to something more productive. One of the many reasons Graelyn gave me the chair was why Khanid political position allows me to do this more freely than he or any other imperial citizen.
That said should I âemployâ someone of questionable character itâs for either a project to consult or to reform that individual. Either case is with the clear understanding that the previous habits are to be discarded while under our roof. I have no intention of having monsters reformed or otherwise roaming as they please.
Thank you for asking.
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Well thereâs logs where youâre stating quite the opposite, implying Sansha experimentation on PIE - an example you put forth - was quite tolerable from your point of view. Youâre contradicting yourself quite heavily here.
All fine and dandy, but that doesnât make pointing out the facts when the topic is active âmudslingingâ. Especially when you see as above, thereâs some⌠creative interpretation going on.
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Cardinal, if you see this, please muzzle Kithrus. Thereâs still a chance people will take AM seriously in the future. Just cut this foolâs tongue out please.
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No there isnât.
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Capsuleers can have remarkably short memories about certain things.
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So, my lord? A respectful question.
Why would you expect to recruit a massive entity populated almost wholly by people who donât care much about the Empire, and then expect it to come to the Empireâs aid at need?
It doesnât seem to me like there arenât numbers only because the rest of us are too picky or something. It seems like the problem is, most capsuleers are a sort of shared resource among the Empires: hot and cold running murder, attracted by ISK and lacking permanent loyalties.
It seems like what youâre doing is accumulating a good-sized and, uh, somewhat unselective (you really hired Cettes???) wad of that substance, hoping that a small, dedicated leadership corps will be able to direct it the way you want it to go. But, given that you seem to be giving Lord Crases free rein, and Lord Crases seems, respectfully, a little maladroit, is there any way thatâs really going to go the way you want it to?
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Diplomacy 101: Diplomacy is not just about talking fancy words at people and making friends. It is also, or mostly, about knowing people and knowing about people and gauging who is willing and able to do what.
In any conflict in New Eden, one of the major considerations is âif we do this, who might escalate, how likely are they to do it, and what will we do then?â
Yes, any conflict a small alliance is involved with might just stop because some bigger fish decides it will. But even Goons cannot just decide to get involved anywhere and everywhere that takes their fancy, because trust me, if they were spread every which way across the cluster, thereâd be plenty people delighted to take advantage of that.
Knowing this, estimating whether someone is likely to have interest in getting involved, and at which point, and having friends you can talk to about jumping on the bandwagon if it escalates, is part of the skill of leading a capsuleer organization.
Belittling someone because they would have lost if someone had been on the field is silly as long as that someone wasnât.
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We were, in fact, far more likely to play a role that impacted the balance of power in Thebeka after CVA came in. There was some consideration about launching attacks into Providence to force the expeditionary forceâs recall. However, as we and ProviBloc currently share enemies who are active in-theater, it was decided that the coalitionâs long-term political goals were better served playing nicely with CVA. For now.
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I, Lord Vaari was specially recruited because of my zeal and sence of morality. I would neved had joined had I, mighty and pure nobleman of the Amarr Empire have even slightest suspect that Aegis Militia works with Blood raiders or Sansha.
If later is revealed to to me this is true, I will steal every bolt I can from the alliance hangar for comensating cheating me. Then I personally scratch and bite leaders head of and piss down on their necks.
You can all now stop worrying that our alliance is working with heretics or tyrants who twists human into abominations.
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