Posted this way back in the top of this conversation, I like drones and mining, Orcas are currently the best I have to work with. I would leave the Orca in a minute if CCP would add a drone based line of miners.
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I’m fine with removing FOF missiles, they’re useless. As far as industry and PI, this is not “afk gameplay”; you cannot log off the game and continue to mine.
That’s unfortunate. Welcome to EVE Online where things you love get blown up or just removed by CCP.
You could always read the whole thread, where I’ve already put a possible suggestion, rather than jumping in at the end without bothering to see what else has been discussed.
Note, I say possible suggestion, I haven’t gamed out every single possible scenario my suggestion covers, just looked at the obvious ones. But it satisfies the tick boxes of not screwing over active players and not relegating Orca’s to AFK play.
P.S.
You said AFK Gameplay is bad for EVE. This means all AFK gameplay, not just the one type of gameplay you want to mess with.
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So you are ok with passive income but not AFK income?
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Yeah but your ideas were bad and you were being stupid. Do you have any good ideas?
Yes, I said that AFK gameplay was bad for EVE. This is a general premise. I then focused on a specific case - AFK mining. I know nuance is confusing.
If it’s not feasible for it to be active, yeah.
Nice try, want to actually go and find them this time and address the idea. I at least had the courtesy of pointing out the actual stupidity in your ideas. Despite them being the most stereotypical “I hate miners” ideas out there.
Not at all confusing. However it is utterly hypocritical to say AFK gameplay is bad, so we are going to now hyper focus on this one AFK gameplay and ignore the fact that your idea makes even worse AFK gameplay. You don’t get to play the nuance card on that one, it was a stupid idea, plain and simple. And will continue to be a stupid idea even if CCP follows through on it.
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Moon mining use to be passive and was made “active”, could do something similar with PI. Industry could require regular interaction the continue.
At least with AFK gameplay you make yourself a target, and no that is not me condoning AFK gameplay.
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Not sure why I’m even bothering. You had one idea, regarding giving the Orca Guristas style 2/1 drone bonus. This doesn’t change anything. You’ve modified the problem and changed the scale, but have not solved the problem.
I’m a miner.
Sure.
Ok, so you don’t see how not being able to split your drones across multiple rocks in order to stay AFK keeps it from being AFKable in any meaningful way, relative to the rest of mining of course, mining being a relatively low APM activity to start with.
Scale is everything when it comes to if something is AFK or not, the difference between 10 minutes or 2 is huge.
I mean, are you being serious about ‘scale is irrelevant’ here, or are you just trying to be difficult now because I hurt your feelings.
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“HEY GUYS I SOLVED THE PROBLEM. IT’S AFK MINING, BUT ONLY HALF AS MUCH.”
Go back to the drawing board.
Yeah, you are just trying to be difficult because I hurt your feelings now, congratulations.
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So no actual rebuttal to the argument? Concession accepted. Sorry you got mad. Blocked.
I feel, for my part, I have contributed too much to this chain going off the rails.
I already assume that CCP, at the very least, will remove all drone mining bonuses from all three ships in this tree. They could also remove most if not all drones from them in the future because I don’t think that removing the bonuses will be enough to remove AFK mining, it would probably make it worse.
My original post was trying to offer ideas for the “Aces up it sleeve” that was mentioned that could make the Orca more useful than it was prior to the drone bonus change. As a booster/hauler, I would hope that we get some feature that will keep it in the belt boosting longer without me needing to have a dedicated hauler as well.
Nah, Nevyn’s always been like that.
The problem with Orcas is that they need stuff to do beyond boosting and then hauling ore every 45 minutes. They get rep bonuses, maybe mining should damage ships, maybe rats should actually pose a threat, who knows?
I don’t remember if I posted it here, but I had another idea before the current drone bonus that I thought would be a cool drone change for the Orca.
Mining drones can be a pain as a barge pilot because it ties up one of your targets and you have to manage close targets for drones and far targets for lasers. I thought it would be cool if barge pilots could assign their drones to an Orca. That way the Orca can still mine, but it’s mining capability is completely based on the fleet size. A fleet of Orca’s would not benefit from this, because if they all assigned their drones to one guy, then they would just site there anyways.
Of course, anything to do with drones is still AFK to some extent, so you may have issues with that idea as well.
Short of adding some new conflict to the belt (Trig, FOB, better Rats) there isn’t an active role for the Orca. CCP could go to the extreme of making the fleet boosting ship more like the combat fleet boosters, a barge with boosting capability. Then they could turn the Orca hull into a dedicated ore hauler.
Either way, I hate to see the Orca go. I use to mine in a Domi instead of an Apoch when that was the only way to mine and I missed having a drone based miner.
So you want people to AFK Orca mine but only have to invest as far as a Procurer?
So if we remove drones completely from an Orca, it will sit AFK while it boosts a fleet or procurers. Those procurers could still potentially be running mining drones, so the Orca is in no better place than my last idea.
Unless you are saying that people will AFK mine in an Orca with a bunch of unbonused drones, and not use the procurers, and just sit there AFK raking in scraps? its been a while, but I though Mining Drone II’s only brought in around 60m3/min + travel when they didnt have all the Orca’s bonuses.
I think this would be a crappy way to “fix” the issue of making the Orca active. Not because it would mess with my mining, but because I think that inventing a problem to justify your solution is lazy.