I dont think sansha incursions should be perma spawning at all, but then theres nothing else to replace it which is the real issue isnt it?
There no guristas invasion in caldari space, no serpetis incursions into gallente space… nothing really; would it not be better for the game and its playerbase to push more for this than more of the same?
I think it would be interesting to have “invasion” events by the various factions, especially in NPC nullsec. The factions could drop their own TCUs and iHubs in their own nullsec systems. Their sov index would be a measure of either the missions completed or the reputation gained with that NPC Faction over a particular time period. Once the NPC sov index is maxed out, military and industry iHub upgrades automatically unlock and apply across their systems. Those indexes may increase in the usual manner. Once all the indexes are maxed out, a special NPC-themed event spawns in some random constellation, much like a Sansha incursion, where players can defend the Faction’s sov from attack for an opportunity to keep the upgrades in place and make even more ISK. This system could be ported into lowsec to give FW a shot in the arm and into hisec as Empire space finally gets threatened by rats in a meaningful way.
Not only would this create more variety in gameplay and therefore more balance and more opportunities, it would create more interesting stories across all of New Eden. It would give players a way to “upgrade” their systems without turning all of New Eden into sov null, thus allowing corps to decide where they want to live based on system security and the gameplay inherent to it instead of just chasing the ISK around. Instead we get the Triglavians, which will inevitably become boring before the year is out. It won’t even take that long if the event itself doesn’t start presenting better challenges and rewards.
i was write i reply but at this stage i say ■■■■ it ccp doesn’t read they own forums so why should i bother replying ■■■■ this game
I just wanna say after the Abyssal (mal) last event. This is good. I Really like the Trig invasion content. I wanna be clear i was very harsh on the last event. Cant remember the name of it even. For me this is good.
I heard (and a CCP Dev can correct me if they wish) that the idea of nerfing incursions was to reduce isk faucets in Eve
CCP, we want this:
Your idea is to take contant???
All I have seen is promise broken, promise broken, promise broken, promise broken, nerf bat, nerf bat, nerf bat, nerf bat incursions, nerf bat carrier ratting, nerf bat ships, nerf bat modules. You want us to give you money??
For What?!?!?!?!?!?
Because they want people buying more plex etc root cause is always money.
Yeah, you want to level the playing ground @CCP_Falcon? Remove those ■■■■■■■ unfair advantage T2 Original Blueprints. ■■■■ 'em. You don’t seem to give a damn about players time invested in your game, or money over several years paid for the game, so nerf one of the biggest unfair ISK taps, the never-to-be-repeated* T2 BPOs.
*CCP ■■■■■■ up making them in the first place.
But no, you just want to ■■■■ up Incursions, because your ■■■■ new content (yes, i’ve played it, it’s ■■■■) doesn’t match up to what better people than you did years ago.
I sent this to our upcoming CSM:
As of recent, well better yet the past few months has seen many nerfs and changes in ships, modules and content in game. Whether you are a fan of incursions or triglavian or anything, they are very much apart of Eve. I believe nerfing active useful content is poor planning among other thoughts.
Incursions have taken an unwanted hit. Many in incursion community are livid even if they don’t make forum posts. Unfortunatly the idea of getting or being “taken advantage of” is the same rectum pill many are accustomed. 66% drop in Incursion income is large. It was 3rd on that very selective non conclusive graph. Why remove it if so many people enjoy it? I created a forum post. There is anger about the nerf as well as other unwanted changes. Please view, read, like the post, and comment if you feel up for it. I wish to push for the Highsec incursion to go back to 3 highsec constalations instead of just 1. Unlike the Invasion there are no rats on gates. Each spawn site id very calculated to how many rats will be there. Only certain amount of sites will spawn at any given time. Aswell as they don’t spawn extremely quickly. Those changes were made years ago, and they made sense. This cold, nothing on patch notes ninja nerf was rude and selfish.
Forum post: INCURSION CHANGES
Not lastly, I would to truly like to acknowledge the ever disabling nerfs in game. Ships, modules, and unwanted or poorly delivered content has to be stopped and buffed back. Please consider I am not the only person who believes as such. Join us in some highsec incursions. I am from TDF. Would love to chat more.
(Email included TDF chat link here) If you want the link, please mail me.
Other posts: Warp To Me (The Gateway Drug of New Eden) and the "Invasions" - #44 by QuickSwipe_Collier
I agree with you any others in game who have mentioned this already that the number of incursions should not have just dropped, even if the reason CCP did this was to push more individuals into the invasions, which from what I hear isn’t really living up to the hype.
I sent a message to the new CSM candidates earlier today (yesterday) as you see above about the incursion changes and other unwanted content changes in EVE. I expected to be completely ignored and maybe even immaturely criticized in some childish way. Instead, I received some of the most decent open minded responses. It doesn’t mean anything right now anymore more then some CSM candidates at least listened respectfully. I wish to post some of the comments made aswell notate small portions of conversations I had on this post. PLEASE, use this interaction to help make informed decisions about your vote
I’m gonna post these initial reactions in separate replies.
Re: Incursions and nerfs 1of1
From: Zap InSpace
Sent: 2019.06.15 16:08
To: Tovh,
As an active member of TDF, I felt this hit as much as many of you.
For a very long time I have been of the opinion that incursions payed out way more than they should due to the low risk they now present. I felt that the initail round of nerfs were overal a good measure. This latest round, however, I feel was poorly managed and even more poorly communicated on top of being overly agressive.
The fact that, as I am writing this, there is only 1 HS incursion available an it is in its mobilized state is a problem. The downtime that incursion communities face now is a bit too long. content is what keeps people playing after all.
If given the chance to do the job of a csm rep, I would have tried to explain that I felt that the nerf was too much and while I still would have expected them to nerf the incursions, would have pushed for more of a 25% nerf and not the massive drop in content. Furthermore, I belive that the correct course of action in this nerf would have not been to hit the amount of incursion focuses, but instead rebalance the payouts. I think that this would more accuratly achive the goal the CCP had when they deployed the HS nerfs but would not have been as harmful as the latest nerfs.
While my primary goal on CSM is much like teddy Gbyc and ExookiZ. The is to ensure that wormholes are not seen as an unintended consequence to nerfs and bufs, incursions are my second favorite form of content in eve, and when the community gets blindsided by changes like these it hurts.
Thank you for your support.
Zap InSpace
Nahtor Raschura
A fantastic gentleman. He gave me his Teamspeak info so we could speak in person. He listened to everything I had to say. He took note of my points. He kept an open mind.
Doris Andedarie > Tovh thanks for your mail.
Doris stopped in to TDF chat and just, chatted. Nothing mentioned in specific, but again, was decent enough to say hello.
Mike Azariah > but you do know, even if elected I cannot and will not promise a fix, just that you will have a voice in there
Mike stopped in aswell. Fun person to speak to.
From: Lucrative Business Opportunity
Sent: 2019.06.15 17:03
To: Tovh,
Hello Tovh,
Thanks for taking the time to write to me, as well as my fellow candidates.
The incursion changes is something I admitedly had not noticed and I fully understand that it would not go down well with the community (who would have thought otherwise?). A downgrade of two thirds concurrent sites is a very large hit to the playstyle of a sizable community in Eve, many of whom use this as their primary income source to fund their other endeavours. Many dedicated runners have considerable financial risk tied into their incursions, both in moving them to the systems as well as fighting in them. So the risk of moving to the single Incursion has just increased considerably, let alone if it spawns in a highsec island. As a former runner, I still have the large investment waiting to go still, but now that it is so scaled back, the risk in moving may not justify it now.
Conversely, I can see from a lore and game advancing perspective why CCP would make such a change, the Drifters, Triglavians, and Sansha’s Nation have quite a rich lore backstory which would translate quite well, as CCP has done, with the current patch with the incursion scale backs and the increased Triglavian presence in high sec.
However, I believe that the scale back was excessive, and it would be one of the things I, as CSM, would highlight as counter-productive. A gradual scale back would be understandable over time, but such a drastic reduction I feel is unacceptable.
Kind Regards
Lucrative Business Opportunity
Cacique Yuhasz > Tovh thanks for having me here and invite to channel hope to be on csm 14 so can be able to help EVE to do things right , and to be new eden voice to be heard by ccp no other way around csm is a person who know the game but is actually the player day to day in every part of this big universe who can gave the best feed for anything to be fixed or change i hope to work and help if get selected CSM o/ Cacique Yuhasz
and this above message noted here aswell:
Fiedan
I agree with you any others in game who have mentioned this already that the number of incursions should not have just dropped, even if the reason CCP did this was to push more individuals into the invasions, which from what I hear isn’t really living up to the hype.
and ofcourse.
I did receive non respectful immature replies.
coughs non respectful immature replies.
Re: Incursions and nerfs
From: Xenuria
Sent: 2019.06.15 22:32
To: Aeryn-Sun, Anveri Vestigo, Arrowspeeed Bounty, Aryth, Blood Ruin, Cacique Yuhasz, Carbon Alabel, Compayn, Cornak Firefist, Crystalline Entity, Darien Avan, ExookiZ, Fiedan, Gobbins, Innominate, Insidious Sainthood, Jurius Doctor, Killah Bee, Liz Lizardbreath, Lucrative Business Opportunity, Manic Velocity, Matthew Dust, Merkelchen, Mr Deathwhisper, Nahtor Raschura, Sort Dragon, Stitch Kaneland, Styxx, teddy Gbyc, The Judge, Tovh, Vily, Zipp Adoudel,
I flew with Brick squad back when TDF and other incursion groups were caught exploiting the mechanic to endlessly farm high sec sites. Headshotting the motherships and closing out the site was a stopgap measure until CCP finally acted. The nerf to incursion as it relates to fewer high sec sites is a good thing. If you disagree with that you can kindly kiss my sacred geometry before depressurizing your cabin. HTFU
You are not allowed to contact Arqui Nurbs.
You are not allowed to contact Aegaeonos.
Re: Incursions and nerfs
From: Crystalline Entity
Sent: 2019.06.15 22:38
To: Aeryn-Sun, Anveri Vestigo, Arrowspeeed Bounty, Aryth, Blood Ruin, Cacique Yuhasz, Carbon Alabel, Compayn, Cornak Firefist, Darien Avan, ExookiZ, Fiedan, Gobbins, Innominate, Insidious Sainthood, Jurius Doctor, Killah Bee, Liz Lizardbreath, Lucrative Business Opportunity, Manic Velocity, Matthew Dust, Merkelchen, Mr Deathwhisper, Nahtor Raschura, Sort Dragon, Stitch Kaneland, Styxx, teddy Gbyc, The Judge, Tovh, Vily, Xenuria, Zipp Adoudel,
Sceptical Crystalline is sceptical
I love how you all think you’re entitled to incursions. That God himself apparently has willed you to fly excessively blingy battleships around highsec farming ISK at rates that would make null players blush. And when CCP has the audacity to trim the money tree, you lose your minds.
You complain about being contested. Your sites respawn almost instantly, I see no reason why you can’t work together, coordinating what fleet gets what site in system. You’re so greedy that you can’t even do that. You’re apparently too risk-averse to go to lowsec or nullsec as well, where you could have all the sites you want. What makes you think you deserve the best of everything: good ISK/hour without competition?
Adapt, or die. That is all.
Right now there is none in high sec. Why would you do this CCP? This was a bad change, if it was intentional.
At least the non respectful are in fact truthful, many others may simply just want your vote.
BUT
I’d have to agree that in reality incursions shouldnt be an easy isk printing farm and that incursion runners should actually get out there and run the lowsec ones from time to time; ive seen the size of the fleets theyre not so easy for random pvp groups to take on… not with that amount of logi…
I would also say though that there should be more happening than just sansha incursions.
replace “incursions” by any activity. Let’s say mining in null… or farming anoms.
What is SC? I’m ready to move.
Didn’t those get a respawn nerf? I don’t think that generated nearly as much salt.
Incursions require pilots to fly with other players which means your playing the game with others which is what we need more of, anoms and multiboxing rorquals are ways of not interacting with the other players in the game, unless you get dropped on. I’m not saying nerf anoms or rorquals but dont nerf content that players do with other players.
Did Null lose 66% of thier income from the mining and anom farming? And what then is half of an anom ratter income equal?