For me incursions are all about the community. I’ve got a lots of new friends and I like to do stuff with other people. All incursion sites are different depending about your ships and pilots.
I also like to improve. Learn new skills and be able to fly better, new ships. Doing incursions for some time now I’ve learned different roles needed in incursions. That is fun too.
Flying with WTM there have been a fleet running 24/7. I’ve been able to do stuff together and talk to friends when ever I wanted/needed. We do talk about all shorts of stuff when killing the Sansha.
Isk is nice too. I’ve been able to buy skill injectors and better ships. Isk doesn’t come easy though…you need to shoot Sansha and sometimes it can be dangerous.
I really hope CCP will give us back those 2 High Sec focusis - we need those.
I do add these mails I have received for accountability. At least to give them that chance
Re: Incursions and nerfs 1of1
From: Dunk Dinkle
Sent: 2019.06.16 06:12
To: Tovh,
Thanks for the note. The CSM election is not over. So I cannot speak as a CSM member.
No one knows what next for the Triglavian invasion and it’s impact on incursions.
Hopefully we’ll learn more at EVE Toronto. I’ll be sure to ask, even if I am not elected.
-Dunk
Re: Incursions and nerfs
From: Mr Deathwhisper
Sent: 2019.06.16 08:15
To: Tovh,
Thank you for your mail.
Sadly as it stands then are the changes for me to get in on the CSM really small.
But if you like to talk about how incursions have been nerf and what you feel like needs to change to bring it back again people poke me.
Since my CSM campagin is all about fixing usability issues, balancing and the war on clicks, and since its been 5 years sinces i last did incursions in high sec, then am i not up to date on the current state of it.
You didn’t lose 66% of your income. You lost 66% of your highsec incursion focuses. There’s no reason why you can’t earn plenty of ISK in one system. Either cooperate with other fleets, git gud and contest the sites, or just go to lowsec where you can just shoot the competition.
Remember when the removal of Standings occurred for Jump Clones? It was “ops, that was accidental, but it will be left that way from now on”. Welcome to paradigm of Eve Online updating.
It is just another corner of high-sec’s garden being poisoned. I guess some of you will be enlisting for those null-sec carrots. You come with a “head-start” over the question “FC, what do”.
How about actually waiting to see what develops with Invasions.
CCP have outright said the following.
Invasions are going to take weeks to ramp up.
Incursions & Invasions are meant to interact, Incursion spawn reduction at present is intended.
What this means.
We haven’t seen invasions actually running at full speed yet, there are world ark sites still to come, and who knows how many conduits and other strike fleets will actually spawn when we get them.
We have no idea if you will be able to clear an invasion and there is a chance for either an invasion or incursion to respawn (Ditto clearing an Incursion may respawn an invasion also).
In short, stop screaming the sky is falling. It’s not falling.
They do indeed blush because of the low ticks. No comparison to Super ratting or Rorq mining - with the latter not being an ISK faucet, btw.
Btw. you might want to have a look at the economic report for actual numbers… TLDR: Null ratting is six times as large an ISK faucet as incursions - and that’s after the latest ratting respawn nerfs hit. Before it was more like ten times.
It is very interesting to see players have so much faith in CCP.
Almost 3 weeks after the initial launch, the topic is already cooled down a lot.
But remember they arranged a 40 hour stream for stage 0 content?
CCP failed to deliver Major Conduit correctly (it was available but bugged and made unavailable)
The description in Agency provide wrong environmental effect numbers
Invasion clearly should have 3 different stages but now it jumps from stage one to invasion defeated
Yes we can keep believe that this is all planned. However while this invasion is not really ramping up at all, the incursion got nerfed to 33%. I do not think that is also planned, as the invasion is not a comparable event for now.
You are confusing not jumping on CCP straight away with ‘faith’.
There are also always teething issues in new content.
The question is not is it perfect day 1, but does it look good at the point that the world arks arrive, which is clearly not meant to have been yet.
As for incursions, the spawns have been nerfed, not the pay outs per site, so people can still make good isk. You just might need to actually run the assaults to have enough sites for everyone.
Well not really.
If they really meant to do this, they should’ve at least created a good looping for the early stages.
For example, a proper line that describe the stage as “Invasion scout is defeated, Triglavian presence is decreasing”.
Or a proper environmental effect numbers in the agency window.
Sadly it is kind of obvious the invasion is locked at a stage without being able to go forward. environment effect locked at “Perimeter system” level, when it is actually foothold system.
As I said before, if you believe that this is all planned, I can’t really persuade you because CCP is clever with the “week by week” statement.
I am very much afraid (when looking at the buggy Major Conduit) they are just buying time by this week by week stuff, trying to complete the design of the Conduits, without having the overall planning.
Quite outstandingly underlining the hypocrizy of Incursioneers.
You provide zero content for the vast majority of the players. You are farmers, attracting only farmers, who also provide zero content for others. You only, exclusively, care about farming and making huge amounts of isk.
I agree with most of what you say, but I think the real concern revolves around how quickly the entire Invasion expansion(s) will be implemented. The timeline CCP gave is weeks, but will that be 4 weeks, 12 weeks or 26 weeks? Given the issues and delays CCP have had in the past rolling out big expansions, this could have a negative, long lasting effect on incursion runners if Invasions is not done in a reasonable time frame.
I like the mystery CCP is trying to create by not putting new content on the test server and trying to keep timetables secret, but so far it has done nothing but backfire in their faces.
If you want to go that route, then I will respond in kind. You peasant.
That forum blowhard has achieved more in this game than you likely ever will.
You can. You just suck at it. You sucking at it, requiring to work for your isk doesn’t make your statement true. It just exposes that you suck at making ISK in whatever way or form, without actually working for it. You peasant.
And you would damn well know that if you weren’t just a peasant. And no, “I don’t want to do this” isn’t really an actually good reason. No. That’s called an “excuse”, usually coming from peasants.
No, I don’t and it doesn’t matter, because the Incursioneers do Incursions and everything else is completely irrelevant and besides the point, because we’re talking about Incursions here. If they can do something else to make money, then they should go doing something else to make money if they require it.
Or, how about getting a job. You peasant.
Nothing is keeping them from doing something else and staying friends with those they used to fly Incursions with. Literally nothing. So far this whole outcry is ■■■■■■■■ and I’ve yet to read through all of them to make them change my mind, which I am going to begin after this post.
There were bigger problems with less outcry and the assumption, that the biggest reason for this amount of complaining (of which I yet need to verify how much of it is actually legit) is the fact that CCP turned down your income, still stands.
Because, as you’re probably aware, the biggest outcries always happen when CCP lowers the income of some group of people, or when they significantly nerf a game mechanic they shouldn’t be touching.
BTW reported for the insults “peasant”. I don’t know why he called you blowhard and actually I guess it’s an insult but am not sure, in the context it may apply very well to your actions.
Sorry in advance if it makes your post “hidden” but those words don’t fit in the forum rules.
Well you used a personal aggression to explain why this argument of his is “fake”, without any king of reason argument. That means you know he is right but can’t accept it. Ergo, you agree with him.
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And you would damn well know that if you weren’t just a peasant. And no, “I don’t want to do this” isn’t really an actually good reason. No. That’s called an “excuse”, usually coming from peasants. [/quote]
Doesn’t hurt me at all, I have all of the income streams available, marketing production, PvP, ratting, missions incursions, invasions.
Fact is I have 7 omega characters, two over 150mil SP and three more over 85mil
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No, I don’t and it doesn’t matter, because the Incursioneers do Incursions and everything else is completely irrelevant and besides the point, because we’re talking about Incursions here. If they can do something else to make money, then they should go doing something else to make money if they require it.
Or, how about getting a job. You peasant. [/quote]
Last I checked this is game, I spend more on a Friday night drinking than I do funding my 5 omega accounts. I am just not giving that money to CCP because they don’t deserve the gratuity.
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Nothing is keeping them from doing something else and staying friends with those they used to fly Incursions with. Literally nothing. So far this whole outcry is ■■■■■■■■ and I’ve yet to read through all of them to make them change my mind, which I am going to begin after this post. [/quote]
Except that they don’t WANT to be doing other activties, tonight I spent ganking a guy an finishing his 6/10 for him 1 bil in 15 minutes of work.
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There were bigger problems with less outcry and the assumption, that the biggest reason for this amount of complaining (of which I yet need to verify how much of it is actually legit) is the fact that CCP turned down your income, still stands. [/quote]
Again my income is fine this is my main…I can speak t various forms.
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Because, as you’re probably aware, the biggest outcries always happen when CCP lowers the income of some group of people, or when they significantly nerf a game mechanic they shouldn’t be touching. [/quote]
Strawman, Incursions aren’t a blip compared to null bounties, check my employment history, I know just a little about null vs low income.
