Is Hisec ganking good for the game?

[Ramona_McCandless]

So you are saying you are making up a rumour.

You either have proof or you dont.

Dont get peoples hopes up with false accusations.

[Xucca]

@Scipio_Artelius

Almost 2000 posts in the thread is pretty much a train wreck now. Any good posts are quickly swamped by everything else that’s going on.

Not much chance of a decent discussion until the start of the next thread.

Hmm… I’m gonna have to push this scary looking button!
@Scipio_Artelius Loco!.. thanks for your input. I appreciate it and Ramona’s when in the right mood… Actly, thanks to everyone who tried and dropped decent comments to the topic. You guys are better than this but it’s too darn scarce!
Let me know when mature. If ever!

[Kellie_McCalamitie]

@Ramona_McCandless

So you are saying you are making up a rumour.

You can twist what I wrote, sure, I’m getting a little tired and the debate on YouTube is getting more interesting than the forum at this point so I’m getting more than sidetracked.

@Ramona_McCandless

Dont get peoples hopes up with false accusations

They’re not false accusations, they’re just unsubstantiated at this particular moment in time.

[Rroff]

@Gix_Firebrand

You weren’t trying to bait. You’re gas lighting and frustrated that it isn’t working. On an unrelated game note, I feel sorry for the relationships in your life as you def use this tactic on them all the time. Oof.

And you are an alt. Drac is clearly your indy alt which you fuel with Rroff’s krabbing. Cept you done messed around and got rroffed in the forums by Aiko and exposed yourself.

Its clear you get confused sometimes by which one is logged in and which you are commentating. Its ok bruv More laughs for me

No I wasn’t trying to bait - you hooked yourself on an entirely throw away comment now trying to wriggle away by deflecting and **** posting.

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Kellie_McCalamitie

They’re not false, they’re just unsubstantiated

[Kellie_McCalamitie]

@Ramona_McCandless Nice, thanks for the laugh!

[Rroff]

Well I did try to move things on - but even an attempt at a constructive comment about wormholes got jumped on.

[Xucca]

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[Scipio_Artelius]

@Oskar_Milde

True, though I’d similarly assume a relatively comparable number of victims would still be linked to zkill, so there may not be that much of an overall difference in reporting.

Calling all spreadsheet nerds! Let’s have some deep dive statistical analysis here, stat.

The simplest, blunt approach to seeing how much zkillboard is reflective or not of the total loss within the game is to compare the stats zkill provide, with the ESI stats.

That is, zkillboard publishes the number of kills added in the last hour:

At the same time, the ESI provides a cached value of kills by system: https://esi.evetech.net/latest/universe/system_kills/?datasource=tranquility

The 2 will never line up perfectly, which is why it’s a blunt estimate, but just totaling up the number of pod and ship kills (which includes structures) from the ESI and comparing it to the zkill values, gives a rough estimate of how many kills are missing overall (not ganking specifically). The current cached totals for examples:

1333 / 1966 = 68% of total kills

It varies throughout the day and varies because of the different times periods between the live value of zkill and the cached value that CCP provide.

Looking at it multiple times a day, it generally varies from about 50% to 95%.

The only real valid conclusion from that, it that there are a lot of kills overall that aren’t posted to zkillboard.

To get better than that needs validation of the data for specific systems, or ship types. It’s time consuming, but without access to CCP’s raw data, sampling is the only approach we have.

For freighters for example, sitting in Uedama with alts on each gate and then comparing the number of ganks observed to the number that appear on zkillboard provides a much better comparison. Doing that across multiple times zones, multiple days, multiple systems and re-validating it periodically, provides even higher confidence.

Last time I validated the freighter loss for example, >95% of observed highsec freighter losses were posted to zkillboard. So for freighters at least, zkill data is pretty reflective of actual.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Rroff

No I wasn’t trying to bait - you hooked yourself on an entirely throw away comment now trying to wriggle away by deflecting and **** posting.

Whew chile, the gas lighting. At least you don’t give up on that tactic huh?

@Kellie_McCalamitie

Define Reality.

The place you aren’t

[Xuxe_Xu]

@Kellie_McCalamitie

bootlicking buchwackers.

Mostly false.

Her Royal Highness Imperatrix Protectoress Aiko only wears boots when valiantly leading from the front ala Alexander the Great.

At other times, such as when holding court, I think HRHIP favours more refined space-sandals:

[Kellie_McCalamitie]

@Xuxe_Xu

Her Royal Highness Imperatrix Protectoress Aiko only wears boots when valiantly leading from the front ala Alexander the Great.

@Xuxe_Xu

At other times, such as when holding court, I think HRHRIP favours more refined space-sandals

Sandal-licking bushwackers also and if she wear Stilettos then Stiletto-licking bushwackers and when she wears snickers then snicker-licker bushwackers and so on and so forth…

[Kellie_McCalamitie]

@Gix_Firebrand

The place you aren’t

Yea, that’s what I thought, you’re not even worth exchanging words with so I’ll put you aside to the same pit as your domina so you can better lick her boots or sandals or snickers…

[Jayce_Fitzpatrick]

I see we’ve reached beyond 2000… next is 3000. We can do it!

[Xuxe_Xu]

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Kellie_McCalamitie

Yea, that’s what I thought, you’re not even worth exchanging words with so I’ll put you aside to the same pit as your domina so you can better lick her boots or sandals or snickers…

Oh? You asked me to define reality, I simply did what you asked. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. I’m guessing you’re using your amethyst to divine if Aiko and the CSMs are colluding amirite?

Also uh, I think you’re projecting hardcore. As I’ve said boot licking def isn’t one of my kinks. I think you are so specific in this description for a reason. I’m guessing the princess has captured your interest huh?

[Aiko_Danuja]

For full disclosure, I have been advised to make the following statement.

I categorically have no connection whatsoever, direct or indirect, with Brisc Rubal, Brisc Ruball, the Initiative, karttoon, or the Goonswarm Federation. I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of Jihadswarm, Clockwork Pineapple, or the VCBees. I do not receive any funding, in or out of game, from the Mittani, the Mittani.com, Helicity Boson, loyalanon, Snuffed Out, or MiniLuv.

[Etch_Masuka]

@Kellie_McCalamitie you are being active in this thread for someone who has scammed and bullied so many new players out of the game

[Hans_Devin]

I suppose this is off topic but…Is Hisec ganking good for the game?

[Zoiie]

As with any conflict, it depends which side you’re on