Yet their data driven approach has had the same effect year on year while they keep saying the same stuff about the NPE and things that need to change yet always seem to end up back at square one - the player retention and active player numbers don’t lie.
I can’t imagine being so miserable as a person to feel compelled to screenshot random bits of what someone said on another forum and present them out of context at that.
Player retention isn’t that important. Candy Crush, Minecraft, and Farmville have high levels of player retention, and generate lots of money, but they aren’t good games. I’m glad that CCP is focused on making a good game.
You, of course, can’t evaluate the quality of the game - since you don’t play it.
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I didn’t feel compelled.
You used your presence on another forum as ‘evidence’ that you are still in touch with EVE, even though you haven’t played in years. So I went to that forum, where I found people making the same arguments we are making. I also noticed that you repeatedly state that you’ve quit the game, and intend to never play again.
I think people have a right to know that you’ve spent YEARS consistently stating that you do not play EVE, and you will not play EVE, which undermines any credibility you might have as a knowledgeable participant in a discussion of game mechanics.
If anyone is wondering, my research also indicates that Rroff is grr g00ns, hathat.
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I don’t think anyone but you and maybe 1-2 others care.
Please, tell us more about the game you don’t play.
Your carebear wormhole farming playstyle got nerfed, and you’ve spent years whining about it, with some weird emotional investment in trying to convince other EVE players that the game is dead and broken. You are here to convince us to quit the game, so that you can prove to yourself that you aren’t a failure, and it was CCP who failed. However, we are still here, and the game is fine, which means you failed to adapt.
The main reason you are here, is because the people in the other forum made fun of you, and told you exactly what I’ve just told you. So you are here in an absurd attempt to prove them wrong. You are on a quest to the EVE forums, where you hope to rally the playerbase to quit the game. Unfortunately, we are still playing the game.
I stopped playing long before they made changes (nerfs) to wormholes. No one made fun of me on the other forum - couple of people didn’t agree with me you are completely misrepresenting what goes on there which is pretty sad.
I find it hilarious you feel the need to snippet bits from another forum out of context to try and use against me I’m glad I’m not that miserable as a person.
This is interesting. And i guess it depends on where we draw the line in terms of “true new player”. Is it 2 weeks? a month? 6 months.
CCP are on record as saying that studies have shown that player retention is BETTER among players who have been ganked in the first few weeks of existence. And given the changes made to how they handle this now I can get on board with that.
As an example I recently created an alt to sit in a friends corp to help defend a station during a war dec. We fleeted up and jumped in on the attacking ships. Took a few down but my alt lost his catalyst. Within 10 minutes i received a in game mail from CCP (hey new capsuleer) explaining high sec was a dangerous place and providing me with a venture, an imicus (and i think a catalyst but cant remember) along with the mods for a basic fit. Now thats going to help new bros understand.
Where i think the problem lies is “new player” cut off. If this is only happening in the first, second or third week of play do CCP not class a 4 week pilot as a newbie? And do we class them as a newbie? And I’m betting none of us would be able to agree on the time period on which you get classed as new.
So I’m going to go out on a limb and say that in my view the perceived problem with new players is probably related to players who have been around 1 or 2 months. These players have been going about their business without a care in the world and avoiding ganks purely by luck. Playing like there is no danger and the fact that nothing has happened in 1 or 2 months has reinforced this idea in their minds that they are in safe space. So when something does happen we get the “OMG” response because it is breaking what they think is the norm based on their pattern of play. So who’s fault is that?
Well to my mind if someone has been playing 1 or 2 months even by just looking at rookie chat occasionally they should see advice on keeping safe in hi-sec. I don’t think its a mechanic problem. From CCP’s point of view they are so far into their capsuleers career they don’t trigger the algorithm for the free ships and advice. And EVEN IF THE DID… getting a venture, imicus and catalyst is possibly going to be triggering if they have wallet warriored themselves into something blingy. So are these players new. Some of us will say yes. Some of us will say no. CCP appears to say no but without knowing how long the algorithm is looking for ship loss its difficult to say.
Are there adults here ? Or only people investigating, discrediting and being personally aggressive against each other ?
Omg
I thought EVE was a game for grown-up people lol
Let me remind you the post : is hisec ganking good for the game
Please bring arguments
Edit: corrected “again” with “against”
Edit second : one of the reason new players that are more hisec carebears are leaving isn’t even the ganking itself, but it’s the toxicity and personal agressivity of players especially toward them
I think this needs a lot more breaking down - those that get ganked in the first few weeks and it leads to further interactions or intentions on the part of that player tend to stay, those that lose like 3 ventures in a row to ganks tend to quit whatever in many cases and likewise those who get ganked by “faceless alts” tend to be more likely to be those who quit.
There are clearly some not adults here…
Did the data driven approach to changing wardecs not have a +ve affect?
Overwhelmingly it seems it did in terms of their aims.
Largely the things causing player numbers to drop recently have been associated with CCP trying to correct the blow out in the economy, which they could see though data, as a result of changes made just to appease the player base - Mining foreman changes and the impact of Rorquals following that.
They always knew that doing it would cause player numbers to drop (there is an interview with Hilmar in which he noted that numbers were ok enough in their eyes that they could absorb losses that they expected).
So yeah, their approach is much better than a blind faith approach, or emotion driven approach.
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How would you know? You don’t play EVE.
I think this is what you want to believe, but not anything you actually know about.
Don’t get me wrong there are many areas of the game it has produced positives - but when it comes to the NPE I’ve seen the same things said, etc. year after year for nearly a decade yet they don’t seem to have cracked it.
EDIT: That comment regarding Hilmar is a good bit of why I stopped playing - there should never be acceptable losses in that respect unless you’ve done everything possible. People might not see a problem with it but one day you might be that acceptable loss.
Yeah, I don’t that is possible.
“ganking causes a not insignificant number of players to leave”, and even when CCP express a different view, they just don’t know enough.
That’s a pretty concise summary of it.
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Well, I have to respond to this allegation. Have I taken things out of context? Are members of the other forum just joshing you, and they actually think you have credible criticisms? I suppose we can let the community decide for themselves.
Here is a snippet:
Here is the full unedited context:
I’m gonna go out on a limb, and say the EVE players on that forum consider you just as much of a whiner as we do here. This undermines your previous claim, that your participation in that forum is a reason you should be taken seriously here.
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There are like 1-2 players there who don’t see eye to eye with me - I was in a corp with and good friends with many of the main posters and friends IRL with some.
Your complaints are so random and insignificant that I find them amusing.
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I was referring to the use of data driven analysis. There are times when it has been utilised to improve the game.
But when it comes to the NPE I don’t think there is enough discrimination in what the data is actually saying.
I’m not sure what you are hoping to achieve here - I’ve been around the internet so long I just find you tragic and don’t take any of it to heart and I don’t think anyone else much really cares.