Depends on the target. There’s nothing wrong with using Teamspeak to scam. 3rd party comms and programs have been used for scamming since the birth of the game.
Some of these were taken beyond what CCP thought was acceptable, but think of how many alliances or players get scammed from someone talking in Teamspeak, discord, slack, a forum.
Really the key is to not record the target weeping like a fool then releasing it to the public. The reason is because if CCP ever finds out that someone did something horrible or tragic because of something that happened in-game with the help of a 3rd party tool… well they would be forced to step in. So really like I said unless you make a spectacle out of someone’s reaction or something out of game… you’re good.
Well if you, the OP (or the OP’s “friend” ) think you can swing this scam within the rules go for it & more power to you… just be damn sure the victim doesn’t spend any real money on extractors.
I say that because it’s hard to do much of anything in this game without 3rd party tools. A large part or maybe even almost all of the interaction that some people, corporations, and alliances have is done so out of game.
Think about Samantha Myth that stole the AT ship from Casper and Tikktok. Do you think his social engineering was all done in-game? Do you think the long con scam is all done in game or do you think there is some sort of trust building or social engineering that goes on in a Teamspeak?
Except the TOS leave a lot to try and translate for yourself and contain many grey areas where CCP isn’t very clear.
I don’t think you want to get into a tit for tat on every single rules and point in the EULA and TOS. I think you would find that a vast number of people would be in “violation”.
stealing/scamming in game and getting someone to do stupid ■■■■ on comms are two different things. One’s in the game, the other’s real life.
Pushing someone to spend money IRL to buy SPs back is out of game, taking ISK is in game.
This thread is proving exactly why CCP is so vague with some rules. If they are specific, people will find that one tiny loophole that lets them get away with something, so keep the rules a bit vague. 99% of people understand when they cross that line between scamming and just being an asshole. This thread shows that 1% who can’t see the difference.
And yes, the vast majority of players agree with this, as does CCP.
Just because someone extracts their SP doesn’t mean that they had to spend real life cash on it. A good scammer will know how to navigate the waters of CCPs rules to make sure they aren’t blatantly breaking any.
“Buy Extractors or PLEX with real money and extract your SP and send it to me!” That is a clear example of something that is out of line, and I can’t think of anyone that would go about it that way unless they were completely ignorant of the rules.
You’re side stepping a little here when it comes to CCPs rules on 3rd party methods used for scamming. They are used everyday to do such things. I think the rule is there for when you totally bring something beyond the scope of the game, such as talking about ones personal self instead of a character or even talking about their real life or family. Then CCP can slam the hammer on you and point to the rules.
“a good scammer will know how to navigate the waters of CCPs rules to make sure they aren’t blatantly breaking any”
That’s exactly why the rules are slightly vague. So people like that can’t get away with it. You keep proving time and time again why something like ransoming SPs is something not to try in game.
Anyone acting in a way where they are trying to ‘navigate the waters’ to stay above level should lose their account, regardless of what specific rule they broke.
What I meant by that was that a good scammer will know what he can and can’t do. He will find a way to achieve what is allowed without doing something that isn’t allowed.
What I meant was it’s a lot easier to see through those people than they think, which is why you set rules that can easily be interpreted to get rid of them.
This is simple stuff really.
Why are you going out of your way to defend people who everyone and their brother knows have no place in the game?
If you read the EULA closely, you’ll notice that everything is against the rules. CCP have written the rules in a way that allows them to ban whomever they like and justify it with some hand waving toward the EULA.
The result of having vague rules that are enforced seemingly at random is that the players are afraid to go anywhere near where they think the line might be, making it rather difficult to “be the villain”.
That’s exactly my point I was trying to make. I don’t necessarily blame CCP because in a lot of cases we the players know the game and its mechanics better than they do. So having a rule set that they lay out and police in a “loose” fashion until someone completely crosses it is a lot easier for them. It sucks for content creators and those of us that play a little out of the box.
To answer Sonya above, we do have a place in the game. We create exciting content and jaw dropping stories. Without us you would be playing a game with terrible repetitive PVE, fake wars that do nothing interesting to really shape New Eden and only serve to create memes on Reddit, and a sub-par industrial experience. You can mix in bots, looting scripts, “legacy code”, and a development team that seems to piss more people off than to develop new and interesting content and you have a shell of a sandbox game.
If you had your way, the game would actually be dead contrary to what all the doomsday’ers say currently how the game is dying.
Exactly my point. At the end of the day, just use common sense. Don’t look for that one little loophole that lets you be more of an asshole. Scam someone, don’t bring them into a bonus room. Steal their ISK, don’t make them get rid of their skillpoints.
Common sense. It’s not that hard. Rules are always easy to break, so don’t be pedantic and start using common sense around why the rules are in place. It’s really not hard.
You scam in game, you ask for sp, the person does not tell you, but in fact uses their credit card to buy the extractors. Your in game scam has just become real world scam.
Are you are willing to take the risk or real world criminal investigation?
Eve casinos were all fun and games until CCP realized just how serious some states in USA take gambling. Are you 100% familiar with the laws related to wire fraud in every state of the union? If there is even a slight chance of it escalating into a real world issue CCP will drop you like a hot potato and leave you all alone with your newly found legal problems.
You can scam for isk and in game assets all you like, but you really do not want to find out what happens when real credit cards get involved.
I think you’ll find you’re wrong there, the majority of players very likely think that scammers and thieves are actually assholes. Just the same as most think that you have to be an asshole to think and act like one.
) think you can swing this scam within the rules go for it & more power to you… just be damn sure the victim doesn’t spend any real money on extractors.