Read up as to why.
Cant seriously have expected me not to react to Sols post?
What is that supposed to mean?
Read up as to why.
Cant seriously have expected me not to react to Sols post?
What is that supposed to mean?
I see a repeat theme of salty vets saying the hi-sec carebears should go become nullsec carebears, because, reasons?
The community itself is one of two big reason why people donāt want to play this game (the second being the gameās complexity).
You all persist in saying that new players must join existing veteren corporations and never form their own. Were it any other game it would make sense, but this is EVE weāre talking about. This is the game of spies, paranoia, betrayals and backstabs, all with little or no real consequence for such actions. When people like The Judge make headlines with their sociopath tendencies, it makes the more prudent player think to themself
āWhy the hell would I risk losing everything I built in a game (which could take me months to accumulate) not to some poor choice on my behalf (resulting in the destruction of my stuff because I chose to fly like an idiot) but because some psychotic nutbag with a grudge or whoās just plain evil decides to play a Jekyll and Hyde just to steal my stuff?ā
Hint: Your average player is not wanting to deal with that crap.
A lot of these hi-sec players arenāt looking for another outlet of drama in their lives. They want something they can play, have some fun, and/or relax after a hard day at the office. With the reputation that Nullsecās earned, these players just say to hell with it and putt around in hi-sec all day long. A few of them decide to band together and end up on the business end of a war dec.
As a salty vetā¦nope. Play how you like where you like. Just be aware you cannot insulate yourself from other players.
You mean the community that has Broadcast 4 Reps, has raised money for players families when they passed unexpectedly and contribute to PLEX for good? Yes weāll shoot, scam and cheat each other in game. But as a community it is not nearly as toxic as many like to make out. Iāve seen some pretty impressive responses when people broadcast for reps on the Facebook page.
No, but that is a good way to learn if it works for you. If not, forge your own path, but it might have pitfalls youāll have to deal with on your own as opposed to being advised to avoid.
People always say this, but it isnāt really true though. I know a guy in game and Iād never trust him further than I could throw my house. Has he ever scammed me or a group Iāve been part of? No. But I know he has done a number of corp thefts. His reputation āprecedesā him with me. If I found out he was joining our corp, Iād let the corp leadership know of his past, just in case.
So you are one of those failures at life right? Canāt get ahead because of your incompetence and laziness right? Maybe if you got of your butt and actually did things IRL youād be more sanguine about what happens in life.
What? You are upset Iām questioning who you are in life? That I am casting aspersions on your as a RL person? Wellā¦didnāt you just do that? Sauce for the goose Mr. Savik.
There are a number of desktop games that will let you do just thatā¦
I have never been scammed by my corp/alliance in NS. Of course I am also not just going to blindly trust them with everything either. If the offer sounds too good to be true; it usually is. Turn such offers down. That is a good maxim to follow IRL tooā¦but then we already know you are a failure at that, but maybe that maxim will help you.
HTH; HAND.
Thatās not what all of us say at all.
Corps provide advantages that NPC Corps donāt provide and they have disadvantages that NPC Corps donāt have. Both go hand in hand. There isnāt an EVE in which anyone is entitled to have all the good and none of the bad.
So, everyone should feel free to create their own Corp if they like. However, if they do, they then shouldnāt whinge about how hard it is to grow. If someone wants to take on running a Corp then great. Run it. Donāt whine about how unfair things are.
That may well be, yet they shove drama down the throat of the forum at every possibility (not individaully, just persistently across thread after thread of entitlement).
The core of the whines we see in the forum fall down to a lot of what you have outlined. āThey wantā¦ā
At the same time, they donāt realise that others may also want something they can play, have some fun, and/or relax after a hard day at the office.
The core of the arguments in these threads fails to recognise that for different people, the idea of what is fun, what is good play and what is relaxing, can be very different things.
The people that come and complain and ask CCP to change the game, have an unwritten view that of all forms of play possible in EVE, they are somehow more entitled to their view of fun, relaxation and play than other players are.
If they want their choice, then they should accept that others have choice as well.
Actually, there are female players too⦠this may come as a shock
37!
We are of the same age, error margin being 11 months and 38 days.
The eight days are the additional last day of months ending after 31 days, which are equal to the amount, and spread, of the knuckles on a hand.
I did not consider leap years.
Dudeā¦you are old. 37 factorialā¦holy crap.
I am 39 will be 40 in 1 month and 2 days.
Really?
I figured you as 12 yrs old.
Iām surprised and shocked.
You old dog you are catching me up, happy birthday in 1 month and 2 days.
That is just a myth.
I look like Iām 18 though, i get mistaken for a college student on a regular basis.
Thank you for your post.
(I apologize for this but I honestly could not find any other thread to put it in.)
To your question āHow can we improve this?ā I confess no opinion on war declarations though those would obviously be disconcerting to new people on just persons using a corp for tax purposes.
My suggestion is for better play balance in Highsec;
Level the playing field between people operating as miners and haulers and people who want to be pirates. Currently ganking is just a cost benefit analysis and miners and haulers have to pay the cost.
No human being especially none in Eve wants to be a forced to play a victim; let everyone fight back.
Support the right to arm Bears.
How to improve war decs, it is a major question, and in a way by the removal of the watch list CCP has already done so. Now all one has to do is let the environmental affects take place and war decs will soon no longer be a problem. War deckers are dying⦠and a major part of that is because hisec is pretty deadā¦
Hunting is now too difficult for casual war deckers and what I mean by that are the players who expect to find and kill something within an hours play per night, though there are exceptions, a very good ex-VMG player is showing how it should be done on focussed war decs in Gallente space. Blanket war decs are the preferred mode of operation, which mainly impacts nullsec alliances and the rare active hisec groups, but anyone worth their salt has alts in NPC corps, but this just makes them more vulnerable to gankbears.
CCP Fozzie said at fanfest that they were going to tie wars into structures to put skin in the game, knowing CCP it will be some sort of capture the flag mechanism within the existing structure of war decs. Which would be rather funny to watch, but not really what I think is Eve.
While in the War Dec discord I suggested that CCP should be pushed into a slightly different direction, that all war deckers be limited to 4 wars max, and that they had to have a Citadel up and running with a special module fitted that enabled them to communicate directly with CONCORD when in the Citadel and which gave them a limited watch list or some sorts, they had to be in the Citadel to get the information. All the war decs would be on that Citadel and if the Citadel was destroyed then all the war decs would drop apart from the last four.
What it did was create real player consequences, but enabled hunting. To my initial surprise the reaction was very negative, the most telling comment being that they did not want the N+1 fight over fixed objectives that the nullsec alliances could apply to them and that came from a war decker who had never war decked nullsec alliances, which was kinda weird.
They also thought it would push war deckers to gang up against said nullsec alliances, in a way true, but the bigger you are the harder you fall and the ego based conflict within the war dec community is very strong. On the other side nullsec alliances could go after the entities that war decked them and thus enable their haulers to stay in corp/alliance so they could run real protection against gankers.
For me if you were a hunter the small size group with watch list ability enabled you to play as you wanted, would you then chose to go and join the major groups? Perhaps a loose coalition to go against the lessor nullsec alliance that want to go after you.
I am not in favour of the capture the flag type approach, but what I suggested would create a major and potentially very interesting change to war decs increasing conflict and the explosion of pixels, but I got the impression that the war deckers would not be up to this content and hence this is why they did not like it
After that it became too personal and I thought that there was no way I could constructively function within that group and left rather than get in the way of things. But I was happy to see one guy in particular see the value of the idea.
What you have to understand with any change is how the players react to it and how they start to behave or not behave, this is where you have to use your grey matter to analyse and think it through.
I debated whether to hold my tongue on putting up this idea, mainly because I was not really into the drama and the emo around this, but still as an idea I thought it worthy putting in front of the wider community and seeing how it flies, perhaps Reddit would be a good idea too. Maybe this is a mistake to post this after the RNG stuff which makes me disinterested in small gang and solo stuff when the impacts hit, but anyway, whateverā¦
I will engage with constructive posts, but name callers and off topic posters will be ignored
Oh, wall of text.
Can I ask if its me your referring to? Cuz to my recollection you only asked if I had taken contracts against goons or other large 0.0 groups. If it was⦠damn dude⦠you talk about people twisting your wordsā¦
As for the rest of your suggestion, We said it on the discord as well, a āmagical structureā is not the way to go.
Probably a bad comparison, but it as daft as a capture the flag or any variants of it⦠is a structure for nullsec that limits/denyās the capability to jump a bridge, light cynoās or something similar. Push over one structure and you limit your opponents capabilities.
Yes⦠the bigger more established groups would use this to oppress and keep their competition limited. As they would in highsec.
Let me just put on my tinfoil here for a second.
Yes the one dude that liked your suggestion might have something to do with his alliance just got stolen (and was one of the major groups in highsec) and they have no way of fighting back. Now they have retreated to a C5 WH on the couch of Holesale and wants to punish the small group that ā ā ā ā ā ā them over. The capture the flag falls right into their agenda⦠a way to punish and deny the smaller groups capability. No wonder he liked your suggestion
Carebares rule eve, so it makes sense to have a feature like corp war or else the game would get boring really fast with its almost complete lack of pvp.
EVE appears PVP on surface but is its hardcore PVE all the way because, surprise, suprise so few people like open world PVP. Not just in EVE , in any game. Actual PVP players like me, want combat that is challenging and fun, open world PVP is neither hence why Carebares like us dominate the game.
But yeah if you want to avoid losing ships , getting out of a corp in a war with a corp , especially a pvp corp is the best advice hands down.
I have been in one for 2 months and lost 50 ships, vast majority were super cheap frigates cause I was exploring EVE PVP, as soon as I realised how crap it is, I left for a new corp with no war targets. I have lost like 3 ships in 2 months.
But the catch is that those 3 ships I would be suprised if they cost as much as the 50 ships I lost.
Especially the last one that costed me 300 mil I lost it intentionally to rats.
What I can say, not losing is boring.
I asked you as you were a hunter killer group if you war decked nullsec alliances as you were against hub and pipe camping and as you were most concerned about the N+1 pushing your shite in. So I narrowed it down to ask if you had war decked Goons after it became 500m to war deck them, you then took the pee by saying yes, and then said no, and then told me that you did not war deck nullsec alliances, not sure what you were trying to do at that point.
I was trying to drill down into the type and attitude of different nullsec alliances, some you would not like going after you, best example is the Goons, and others you would rub your hands in glee over and get plenty of green on your killboard. And yet all I got from you was evasion and piss taking when I was trying to explore your thoughts as to why you as a hunter killer who did not war dec major nullsec alliances was worried about this. So on a negative point you raised that had no impact on your behavior unless the Goons for want of a better example decided to deploy to hisec to push in the shite of all large war deckers. And in any case if they did it would be for one or two weeks max.
But at least you were one of the more thoughtful people.
The person who kept saying magical structures as if it meant something was weird and to see you directly quote that reinforces my decision to walk away, what does that even mean and to keep saying it like he did was what?
Yes it is a bad comparison saying magical structure, see you got it.
Well like a cyno jammer in nullsec perhaps, well you have to shoot it, does that mean something. For example over the last couple of weeks I missed out on two big fights because the enemy managed to get a cyno jammer on line and well played to them, deal with it and fight for it.
What you lot did not like was consequences from someone bigger and nastier than you, so why should war deckers in hisec be exempt and have no skin in the game, sorry CCP is right to put some of your skin in the game, and I hope that they do this.
And you are in terms of this person
Actually this is the tinfoil hat part of it, he was not really with WMG when all that went down, he was bumping and moving in with a WH group. But he saw the changes that would develop in the environment and in peoples choices.
I am not talking about capture the flag, I am talking about a Citadel which you have your war decs attached to. So it costs you a Citadel and you lose the war decs that it was linked too,
At that point I suggested to allow the war deckers to have the module in multiple Citadels, so that not all of your wardecs could be affected by a loss of a citadel only the war decs in the citadel which is destroyed. But by that time I got no rational comment apart from magical structures, an Evemail and a personal attack or two.
The key thing I wanted to say at that point but gave up on is that the intel watch list is only available if you are docked in the citadel with the war dec linked to it.
But am I twisting your words above, when I still did not get a clear idea what your issue was, oh I get it magical structuresā¦
Hereās what was said:
(ISD Snip)
I answered you if Iād decād goons, and told you yes, you asked if it was a contract, I said no.
Not sure you got it tho⦠my point was if the Cyno structure would activate the capability of doing all cynoās⦠magicaly And its ONE structure. Or bridges⦠kill ONE structure and all alliance bridges goes down but the last 4
He claims to have an alt in old VMG still, and is the poster boy, defending them at all over the place, calling other people biased. Iām sure he is not biased since he does bumping or plays in wh also?
Yes you are, even you have said that ccpās version is capture the flag and the only thing that differs from their idea is that you want the 4 last wars to stay.
And⦠yes⦠you have suggested a lot over the months we have been discussing, but every time we poke a hole, there another thing and another thing. and when we ask if you could put up a complete suggestion can follow your train of thought⦠you wont. Hows the wardec vacation suggestion going? figured out the details yet?
Edit: I did a quick search for ācapture the flagā on discord.
And the result was kinda funny. Cyclo said it once, I said it twice, Pedro 3 times, while you have used it 12 times.
One example:
Edited a post and snipped In game chat correspondence and Image of out of Game logs.
Chat logs are only authorized in Crime and punishment, and only after they have been sanitized.
~Buldath
Who is effected by this. Seriously. Everyone has out of alliance logistics I mean ā ā ā ā delve is serviced by pushx you cant tell me there is any level of effect on a null sec group other than one off idiotās.
Also I didnāt hear anything about ccp fozzie saying anything on wars. Iāve heard aryth innominate and a few other CSM but nothing that ccp was actually moving anywhere with the topic. And I doubt they will any time soon without consistent pressure and a good reason to do anything.