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Your argument has a fatal fallacy.
Botterss do not operate in a vacuum (pun intended). Whole corps are dedicated to botting (CCP is aware of this and refuse to act on it). When a botter logs in they do not just press a button and the bot works from the moment of log in. No, they DO ask in their botting group as to local intel, known campers etc etc.
As they operate 24/7 and using cloaked gate intel (hell I am sat here already programming a simple java app that will take a screenshot from eve, parse for text in a certain area and interpret that text ⌠and I am a pure script monkey. Can you imagine what professional botters will be able to achieve? No, probably not because you lack their mentality or imagination). Now expand that to every gate within a constellation. Or within a rented cluster of systems depending on the size of the organisation.
So they log in, and look a the traffic report. Oh look Glornak came into system X at 2109 and did not leave. Well he must be sat in system, wonder what he was flying. Oh yeah a Falcon. Well guess I had best undock and turn my nyx botter on ⌠said no botter ever. Drop the fallacy that botters do not interact with the game or elements of the game beyond pressing a loginallbots button.
Is local the intel tool they rely on now, yup no argument they sure as hell do. BUT. Adapt. Evolve. Overcome. As much as that applies to those of us who do not use bots, it also applies to those who do bot. Dehumanising them is a typical Gen Zero tactic to polarise the argument into you are either 100% totally agreeing with me or you are Hitler. They are humans, they are motivated and they are far more intelligent than you are and a damn sight more devious in the way they interact with the EVE universe.
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Everyone will be guarding gates so travel will be almost impossible when you want to move around unless you use wh space.
Donât be ridiculous. Local doesnât show you whatâs next door anyway so this only breaks your corp intel. What do you think people without such intel do?
Personally, Iâd rid the game of gatecamping. Make ships within 12km of a gate non-targetable.
This kills the ability to earn isk. âŚno isk âŚno big ships âŚno big ships no reason to play eve bacause without them what would that be like!
Well, you move and turn much faster⌠but itâs pretty much the same.
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it is not wrong, removing for bots the ability to scan local for possible âthreatsâ makes it harder for players to âhave their botsâ safe and soubd in space, doing their job. theres no fatal logic in there. its clearly a step from CCP to fight against botting in nullsec. ccp started lately a huge offensive against bots. this is just one more try to make it harder for botters, now hits it the nullsec botters.
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Loving your recent work CCP. Please keep up the great work. I really think EVE is on the verge or redefining the MMO experience and finding its self in the middle of a huge upswing in popularity, the likes that we have never seen before.
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Assuming this is your main⌠you have never killed another players ship⌠in 10 years?
to think about it, i wonder how many bot ships died due to the drifter attacks xD#maybe it was a test from ccp how bots would react to a ânot vissible threatâ like it will come now soon for everything in nullsec xP
OK. So how do they log exits from a wormhole or jumps? They canât. They only have the gate logs and canât reliability log anything from wormholes that pop up without manual intervention. And of course a Rook could come out from a wormhole and cloak and itâd be undetectable til itâs on grid by a bot not actively combat scanning at all times.
A bot wonât undock if it thinks thereâs a neutral in system and itâll not be uncommon for people to exit without a gate or just log out after entering. Bots canât properly be programed to deal with that lack of info and they canât operate in higher population systems without raising suspicion. Effectively to bots and their logs there will be neuts in every system even when there arenât.
You are forgetting Location services âŚ
this is rarted, unsubbing 420 alts between me and my cat!
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you hit a nail on the head.
50k then 30k Right now Saturday Prime time US and it is 20,840 next Saturday it will be ???
If people log on and see 15,000 online, 10,000 or less how will they feel? When EVE is us goons and a few others you still want to long on? If goons have no one to fight, no one to hunt will we log on?
The most critical thing right now is keeping players not pushing them out the door as so many here want.
âCan I have your stuff.â âLove those tearsâ âDonât let the doorâŚâ
Please understand their concerns and look for a medium ground rather than being so quick to push them out. There are too many other options now for them to spend their time and cash on and not as many innocents to try and entice into the game.
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Ha. Good one. Plenty of limitations there so Iâm not gonna bother elaborating on how inefficient because of the sheer number of dedicated characters and setup itâd require. Not to mention that it wouldnât help when thereâs a logoff in the system. Unless you think bots are just gonna stay docked almost all of the day. Itâs going to be absolutely impossible for a bot to operate in a safe manner even close to the level of a human during the blackout and I can promise you that once a botters figures out that his bots are ineffective compared to humans theyâll be driven away from the game be sheer frustration. The few that remain will be just that. Few.
Edit: Unless they figure out how to set up an automatic response fleet to log in maybe.
Gen Zero do not care about the game. Their egos will not allow for the concept of middle ground, it is all what they want or they take to reddit. CCP have caved, and in doing so they have avoided taking responsibility for the botting ingame. They are fully aware of who is doing it, and at what level RMT is funding major alliances but they refuse to act. Why you ask? They know if they cut the head off the game would be effectively kill many major nullsec alliances that benefit from RMT.
Either way they go with this, it is like trying to use a Pinkie Pie bandaid on a GSV.
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Actually, as a programmer, while it is easy as hell to parse the stuff on screen, the removal of local poses way more variables.
Okay, so you just saw a player jump into gate A. +1 badguy. signal other bots to dock up. So then I decloak and now the bot sees badguy again, and I then just recloak. There is no local, so the bot now has to figure out-- did I just warp to gate B? did I warp to a site? did I activate the gate and leave?
That is where the bot now doesnât know. the uncertainty there can be exploited really well.
However a player would see the decloak, recloak, and realize that the guy wasnât approaching the gate, was going 16 and decreasing m/s, so just stopped in space.
not even AI would be able to make the inferences that a half awake drunk scout could.
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Thats the exact thing pilots who prefer PVE over PVP scream when we pay to play the way we want, and elitist aholes force us into gameplay we donât want. im glad to see the drifters in null, and i hope this ruins your game play. while i laugh in my golem.
make it permanent hole , so we call it even , or maybe make all eve system as null , so no more hs and ls .
This thread just gets better and better.
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As a Null Sec PSmall Gang PvPer I see many, opportunities but also worried about a WH environment where you can light cynos.
The bigger picture is many PvE players will unsubscribe, so less Null Sec PvP content, market prices will sky rocket.
A better mechanic is your personal SEC status determines your appearance in local chat.
I.E. Pirates appear immediatly thru to positive sec have a delay of say 3-5 minutes etcâŚ
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Thing is, people have explained ad infinitum, blue in the face, 500 different arguments that state that these people are just simply incorrect. But they donât listen, or they come in and whine and cry rivers of salt and threaten to unsub.
Frankly, Iâm tired of explaining to these morons how they can better themselves, and see a positive change instead of being crybabies. But they wonât hear it, because they are like anti-vaxxers in their disbelief of any other viewpoint.
I think subs will increase, as now nullsec will be shaken up and there is an opportunity for people to kill off botters (until someone makes a REALLY sophisticated, damned near human intelligent AGI).
The AFK mining that has been happening by goons and in their umbrella will be massively reduced. (other corps too but frankly youâre the biggest target for discussion)
So yeahâŚ
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