Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread

[Lillith_Sakata]

Moving that ore is likely way more of a PITA than moving blue loot though. Can carry 7bn in a tiny ship

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@GeMiPaT

Any change to local MUST be followed by immediate other actions such as hidden belts that requires scanning and same for anoms. Let’s be serious you can’t give all the sweets to the ones that just want to ruin it so that they have a better killboard.

Making all anomalies and ore fields ( the ones from iHub upgrades ) a kind of cosmic signature that must be scanned down is an excellent idea. It will slow down the super ratters and it will make hunters actually hunt, rather than just warp to the colossal belt/sanctum and see who they can point first.

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@Atin_Adestur

We’ve got over 20 and we’re a PvP corp.

People need to stop thinking they are only PvP or PvE. Step outside of High security space and your corporation is now PvA.

[Bengil_Yanumano]

If I wanted no local information, I would live in a WH

[Grognard_Commissar]

yall had your head up your hindquarters until just now. but you finally got with the fortress/umbrella field and forts meta.

[Lillith_Sakata]

Mixed bag on that. Anoms increase the reward of the system, and since people have to actually be seen, warp to the anom, point something… its not providing as much risk, if they now have to stop, scan down, then warp.
That just puts all the risk back where it is now, onto the hunter, and provides even more of a safety net to the AFK peeps. Plus its easier to bot… dscan, see probes via OCR, warp to safe.

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@Calistai_Huranu

Null should never of been as easy as it’s been, if your in null you should be playing as a team in your corps and alliances, this will be a massive gameplay change, and it’s for the better, EVE is not a single player game, and having non consensual pve as well as non consensual pvp now too is a good change,

This is a good way of framing the argument… if CCP promote non-consensual PvP, what is the issue with the promotion of non-consensual PvE? Its quite a way to spin the tired old argument of “By undocking you consent to PvP” onto its head with “If you do not undock, you consent to PvE” as the drifters pound your castle down around you?

[tatonka_smith]

How does it feel to be the 25th person to beg for ISK?

[Glornak_Ironspawn]

It’s in the ballpark of 3/4 the potential of nullsec mining ore wise. Though naturally your limited to mining moons so there’s a lot of setup cost. Overall it’s still much better than hisec and lowsec.

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@Atin_Adestur

Honestly I think the PvE drifters in Null need some tweaking for spawns. I don’t think they should spawn in active systems, only systems that have a low activity index.

They should spawn hard in low ADM systems where the sovereignty component of the ADM is high and the Industry/Military index is low. Make the pain even worse if the system owner isn’t consistent across the constellation to prevent crappy pipe systems getting farmed off to a bunch of corps just to game ADM index by having multiple Sovereignty Capital systems in a constellation. Too much of Null is still empty space and those who’s flag flies over it don’t have people actually active doing ‘stuff’ which was the whole point of ADM based sovereignty to begin with.

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@Lydia_Skord

“Oh look, a noob has wandered into low sec in a mining ship, let’s blap them”

Isn’t this blackout about null local changing?

[Iowa_Banshee]

Better add combat probes to that fit - my Rook wont be on D-scan

[Lillith_Sakata]

I edited this so I could read it, as a quick skim looked interesting but between managing 4 toons and alcohol, that wall of text hurt my brain.

10 years and i say yay, this is literally going to stomp mud holes in big power blocks.

I agree. They may not see it yet, but I think this will force these guys into smaller areas, their control will be hindered massively. At least I think it will… imagine their gears are already spinning up a way to counter this or find some system to just keep the status quo.

obviously you saw how bad things got on serenity, although they could come together and form a super power bloc forcing people to hs, they also had some of the highest rmt’s and bots on their servers, but since you weren’t the devs there, you couldn’t stop them from doing it.

I really hope that this doesn’t come to TQ. I hope that removal of local will be enough of a programming hurdle to plain out stop the botters permanently.

here, this will stop most of the bots, or let you spot them, also, you can literally just go looking out on the web for the bot makers and no matter what implementations of bots they come up with, literally anyone using them can get picked off by you pretty much right away.

That is honestly what they probably did to reach this decision. Many software engineers in gaming (and other) industries actively look for and download malicious software to tear it apart and find out how it ticks and how they can combat it.

this will limit null sec power blocs to specific systems unless they roam with those supers, it will provide newer players with the ability to go into null like they do in wh space, and be undetectable unless they are scanned by probes or are in anoms that show up.

It’s actually refreshing to see that someone other than the select few see that new players are safer in jspace than in null space. I’ve been telling people that for ages.

people like myself, who have alts galore and honestly set things up to stop people in their tracks coming into my system or at least can see them come in

And if you have a corp, it’s even easier.

it will limit my profit or at least limit what i can produce, but, it will be an added bonus when i take what i know how to do to the enemy and am patient enough to let them come out of hiding pop bubbles or drop bubbles.

I think that since you’ll not have to worry about instant intel, you’ll likely find that once you adjust, you’ll be able to make even more via mining and ratting than you did before.

it will change the landscape so that null sec can’t be formed into that huge null alliance like what happened on serenity and im super happy about that.

I hope that this is the case, especially since more and more Chinese players appear to be getting on EvE.

but honestly, these detectors you want to bring about, if that’s what you are doing wink wink , then i think honestly they shouldnt be cheap, they should require sov, and not be something that can be reinforced, but killed outright the first time they are attacked like mobile tractor units.

They shouldn’t bring in any kind of detector, or other mitigation, to bring back any form of local as it currently exists – it will favor the botters and AFK people just as instant local already does, which would be counter-productive.

this will of course limit your null sec alliances in ways that you want, while giving growth to new players that i want to bring on and train. holding sov for me right now doesn’t seem right, but i have the ability to do it, with a large number of players in the alliance, however major coalitions are killing eve, and the ability for someone like me to build dreams like u want, and it’s also harder for new players to get into these areas and stay alive.

I’m not sure what to make of this bit, could you please clarify?

the game needs a bit of pruning of the older players and bots and jerks that just ruin things for those you want to keep. as you have previously stated that less than 5% of your new players are staying. this isn’t a good thing. but it’s even worse when you are keeping people around that are ruining those new player numbers while the old players keep doing things to threaten the new player experience and your bottom line.

I wouldn’t say older players are the problem, though they have definitely gotten very VERY fat on abusing the current and past systems. Over time without local, losing ships and such, they’ll hopefully skinny up a good bit.

hopefully by this point, you and your accounting department can see this, and I’m truly hoping you can trim the fat to make that bottom line bigger in the long run by getting rid of what’s ruining the experience for myself and many other people who really care about this game to the point we do not use bots and have gone hunting for them, religiously.

Thanks for the diligence, and hopefully bots will soon be as dead as the dinosaurs.

thanks for reading this, hope you have a great day.

You too. Thanks for typing this up, I knew it took time with the language barrier. Just, please use paragraphs to group thought-trains (similar thoughts) together next time. It helps a lot when reading.

[Iowa_Banshee]

I can get up to 123km in a Manticore
but -Then you have to take off missile range modules and targeting range mods - which drops it to about 95km

[Lillith_Sakata]

not only that but… by the time your torps hit, I’d have warped off

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@Olafr_The_Ogre

All these whales with 10 or more krabbing accounts rage quitting need to to take a step back and have a think about how much damage they have done to this game.

It would seem via your zkillboard that statements like this might be driven more by the inability to master the simple art of krabbing than an actual dislike of the gameplay. Really, this is a exemplary lesson on what is truly damaging the game, it seems most of the successful activity has been to blob a few unfortunate souls and when left to your own devices, a far more amusing outcome is the result. This game would be better if this story told by zkillboard was the exception, rather than the norm.

@Olafr_The_Ogre

The game really will be better of without you.

So much of EVE marketing is about these big fleet fights where individual acts have meaning, yet is it really the height of PvP to just be one of over 100 muppets in titans waiting for a cyno, or one of 1000 plebs in a battleship congo line pushing F1?

[Lillith_Sakata]

Jesus the burn on this is real. Litsea, i don’t wanna ever get in an argument with you. I think I’d turn into bacon.

[Onictus]

@Iowa_Banshee

I can get up to 123km in a Manticore
but -Then you have to take off missile range modules and targeting range mods - which drops it to about 95km

Exactly my point.

…or run it with a maxed out intel mindlinked command hull hull…none of which are BLOPS capable (command T3c got nerfed) Which I am not certain would give you the lock range to play out there. Should be pretty close though.

[Hayduke_Artrald]

Is it possible, instead of unsubbing, players could use ingenuity by:

• using alts as bait for roving gangs/cloakies
• stay tuned somehow to damage/ewar notifications

Once notified, either spring the trap or don’t. Either way you gain intel from the sacrifice, better than the local ever could. And, a devious leader could stage losses strategically in order to lure enemies into a strangle hold.

A whole new door is being opened with this change. We walk away from it, or we go through it.

[Explorer_Girl]

Yay another nullbear going . Bye Bye