i dont believe pvpers are spoon-fed anything. Want the massive amount of “spoon-fed” intel, go get it yourself witht the simple screen hogging list of 5 or 6 websites you need to use. Don’t want it? don’t really need it, just be prepared to lose more ships. Honestly, most of the map knowledge of pvpers’ comes from roaming around constantly getting experience of the place. Nulsec static hole and a year of daily roaming will get you intimate knowledge of EVERY nulsec major, minor, botting and pvp alliance about. Take 6 months off? Your info is now out of date, begin to acquire again…
200 people in your staging system logged on, but a 5 man frig gang rocks up and shuts you down? You deserve it. things really arent one sided against nulsec alliances. Quite the opposite.
So… your argument is that 200 people know you’re in a 5 man frig gang so we should nerf local? Theyd report you anyways if they saw what ships youre in, not even a local issue. That’s like saying tracking titans are an issue because frigates are weak so we should Delete all frigates… Its a fallacy to think thats a solution
Your argument that local is free intel but you knowing which systems to go into and that info being publically available is fine?
Love that people think this hits PvEers more than hunters. With this hunters have to be far more careful as they can’t know if someone is cyno bait via zkill until they’re on grid. Of course they also don’t know how many people are in the system so they can’t just warp directly to a potential target anyway especially in a potentially highly populated system. Think hunters will all just swap to covert ops? ■■■■ no. Those ships have paper health and often dps that’s about as good. A T1 cruiser defense fleet will mop them up every time when they get caught which they will because mid attack they’ll have less awareness of incoming fleets.
I’d also like to dispel the idea that “everyone will join X alliance for their super umbrella and just continue to print isk” Ya see the higher the population density of the system the more often their isk activities will be interrupted by neuts hanging around that they can’t find. The “cloaky camping menace” that Null residents cry about cause they suck at dealing with problems they can’t directly see. Much better to move to a lower pop system still connected to your alliance so you’ll get less visitors and defense/offense fleets can swing through when you tell em about neuts hanging around. A super umbrella is for capitals and ■■■■ you for ratting in a cap. If your in a Rorq… Well you know damm well you’ve had it too good for years so how about you learn how to “safely” mine in a Rorq without supers? It is possible if you stop acting like no local is the end of the world and think.
im saying that nulsec alliances will adapt or die to the change. Same as the rest of us. Nulsec alliances are inherently more adaptable and can take bigger hits than anyone else. You’ll be fine
My point about the roaming gangs putting nulsec blobs on L O C K D O W N is as old as the game itself, and local changing wont change this. Its just a jab at the blobs being cowardly really rather than a comment on effort.
@CCP_Falcon heed my words bro, as my gut feels the possibility of a Mass Exodus, much like the same feeling I had when Monocles were introduced, and you weren’t yet an employee then.
This can be a great change, but only if there is balance. The mass effect to industrialists will be unsurvivable unless you are part of a major alliance that can field 30+ supers within 2 minutes.
I suggest something along the lines of auto-dscan, to at least give some form of an alert system. Even in the real world, active radar and satellite imagery gives plenty of alert to non-stealth tech. I would suggest that something along the same lines ahould exist within a timeline where humans are immortal due to technological advancements.
I feel overjoyed in the corrections this will bring to the market and being an old school pvper/oppurtunist I can not wait for the plethora of gank opportunities and fight escelations this can produce!
Now how do I find more time in my daily life to enjoy these changes? Meh, I’ll figure that part out somehow.
I always asked myself why a game considered hardcore, as Eve is, should have “Local”. Don’t get me wrong, but “Local” kill any surprise/trhill/suspance for both hunters and preys. It is like a drug, it makes both addicted.
What happen’s if we eliminate local from all space?? When you go by sea your enemy is not appearing in chat saying “Hello, I’m here, I’m coming for you, yes you.”. If you have devices/sonar/etc you get your info and if not, well it’s your risk.
For me “Local” has always been an error, in all space.
Probably CCP will have to recalibrate scan skills and directional scanner…
Or the fact that a tackled pve ship will die in seconds or the hunters will have the excavators killed/stolen in seconds without counter has always been remarkably unforgiving and punishing with local intel being the ONLY saving grace.
Now thats gone, period. Which is a fine change, but goons have 1000+ fieldable titans alone. Convince a new player to get a rorq with these changes and let him know if any boosher finds them before theyve mined NONSTOP UNINTERRUPTED FOR 40-50 HOURS, that it will be a net loss… and now theres no way to even know when the enemies are coming for the drones.
Same with anything… as margins get thinner, bots become more apparent. That’s a truism as old as video games themselves. Sure null alliances will adapt… it’ll be a giant blue donut tradewarring hisec to ■■■■ over everyone that doesnt join them.
Last time I was in nullsec, I was a total nullbear (tho of course I turned up for CTA.)
Personally, given that there’s no law in nullsec why would there be free intel?
This will only make people more responsible for their space.
Telling any new player to aspire to be a rorqual miner is just cruel.
Friends dont let friends mine
The counter to being caught pveing is to listen to your intel, pay attention to local, have scouts. Be actually active at the keyboard. Like everyone else uses.
Bots have been running stuff in the SAME SYSTEMS for a decade and will continue to do so.
Goon titans dont affect any actual fun gameplay in eve online. Only sov grinds.
Well there’s your problem right there. A Rorq is meant to be a ship for an experienced pilot who’s been around the block and understands the proper methods of avoidance.
Now you may think the proper method of avoidance is fitting a cyno and to that I say holy ■■■■ you know nothing about being a good pilot in general. Depending completely on others does not a good pilot make.
It will be just like WH.
It’s not going to make any difference for the big alliances, well not much. For the krabs in smaller alliances, they will be murdered, they may either quit the game or join a large alliance. I wonder how long it will effect market prices as supply drops off, the larger alliances will start to take a monopoly as they did in the old days with moon goo, only this time it will be salvage, alot of which is required for ship and module building. So ship prices will inevitably increase, how much is anyone’s guess.
For PvP, I see advantages in this.
One thing I don’t understand is, for the people who complain about having local, how come they haven’t moved to WH already.