90% of this thread is orgasming about thinking they can “finally kill vnis”. So take that up with the idiots thinking this will make their zkillboard dreams come true.
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Thank god, they’ve finally fixed afk cloaking and we’ll never have to read another thread about it again.
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Also in High sec people are euphoric because price of minerals will jump and they will be able to plex their accaunt with some mining in barge.
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This is too true. People have no clue how this will change things… and it won’t be smooth.
10 or 11 years ago as a null roamer there were certain key systems we knew to avoid because of how likely it was that jumping particular gates was just a promise of death.
Key systems might be bubbled to hell and back or perma camped or both.
As a result some of the more lucrative PvE systems were not available for us to raid unless we were also equipped to fight a heavy camp. (Hint: as a small null roaming entity you were probably never going to be equipped to fight an alliance based heavy camp.) Showing up with the ability to fight the camp would prompt one of two reactions:
- Full retreat
- Call to arms
Either response was going to end the roam quickly, at least through that space.
The thing is after a few weeks the camps didn’t have to be so brutal or consistently a real thing. As long as it was sometimes there the reputation for instant death at a particular gate was enough to steer clear of it. We can see the presence of ships or not on the map but that does nothing to tell us what they are up to. When your last 12 days worth of scouts were reduced to vapor within seconds of jumping a particular gate and the map still shows 42 ships in space you stop wanting to poke your head around that particular corner.
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Alright. I’ll go one by one and finish off with an independent counter point.
Why do you think pve ships should be able to fight off a pvp ship of similar size? Let alone multiple pvp ships. Cause that’d be stupid. 5 cruisers dropped on a ratting VNI and it melted? That sounds about right.
When you log in you’ll be very much within dscan range of your logoff and uncloaked for several seconds before your client fully loads. No matter your PC. Therefor the log out log in method you suggest is no better than it is with local as with both you know they are coming with about as much heads up. So Dscan properly and pretty much nothing will change there.
So covert ops become covert? Neat. Plus force recons unique hull won’t be functionality worthless outside of wormholes too. More importantly if your don’t consider the lack of information on the hunters side then maybe this can be seen as a buff to hunters. But smart null residents will very easily be able to counter drop blops proliferation by baiting. Hunters will have to more careful and therefor slower meaning attentive player will get away because of the combination of no local to get a headcount of potential fleets/defenders in system and it takes longer to determine if a ship is bait via 3rd party site as you need to get on grid with the target first. This is of course if there’s people watching the gates like they should be.
Most importantly is the fact that this will cripple bots and rid null of inattentive player bloat as null has statistically been safer than hisec for over a decade which is absurd. Incapable players shouldn’t live in null suckling off experienced players. Difficulty should be Hisec -> Lowsec -> Nullsec/WH. Just like the rewards scale. If you think otherwise your wrong.
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This is a terrible idea, probably as bad as that time you pissed all your subscribers off to the point where we all had to shoot the Jita Monument!
From a 13 year EVE Vet:
How about you fix the Agents for the Society of Conscious Thought in FDZ-4 ? Maybe add the Jove Ships you give out all the time to their non existent LP store and make the agents give me distribution missions?
How about fixing the Concord Agents in Aridia & Derelik? That could add flavor and another LP store? Might also make some systems worth living in for Mission Runners!
How about opening up Jove space for Null Sec people to fight over, that would create new content and PvP, a lot more than dumping local.
This will hurt small groups more than anything. If it becomes a permanent thing I will move to NPC 0.0. Space. If you guys get rid of Local in NPC space I might just unsub my accounts.
The State of EVE for me personally.
ECM Changes: Sucked
Drifter Invasion: Dont Care
High Sec Moon Mining: Good Actually
Abyss Complex: Yawn
Faction POS - Removed
Faction Citadels: ? Only for large null alliances that manage to scoop them from existing space.
FozziSov - Good Change.
People praising this change: Never left their moms basement, let alone High Sec.
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I think this is your 2nd or 3rd post in here now, liked each one. You actually think about things and how to adapt instead of throwing in the towel. You’d probably be (or are) a good corp person for leadership.
For the warping safe but, if you don’t see bubbles on scan before you click to warp, it’s perfectly fine to warp direct to a citadel. Warp mechanic is that if you make warp before the bubble drops, you get to slide right through. So long as you don’t have an aggression timer you’ll insta-tether.
I wouldn’t even wait and pre-align, I’d just initiate warp right away – side form that its exactly as you say. If you’re in a large ship, this is especially important. I’ve both used and had this used against me and it is effective.
I almost wanna set up camp with a toon in nullsec (not even with ‘friends’ around) just to experience null again without local. Granted my mains will be hunting up a storm, and I look forward to seeing people who pay attention and slip my grasp, just to prove a point.
Also, welcome back?
Breath of fresh air, well explained and accurate, on all counts.
Not sure what you’re talking about with 3rd party sites, aside form a killboard check to see if they fly solo and die or if they are little bait bricks. Which I’ll add also takes time from the hunter, and gives the hunted/baiter more time to get safe or form up.
That’s exactly what I meant by third party sites. But yea. Solutions already exist. Null can just copy paste from WH residents like me so these complaints astound me. So simple to adapt when there’s literal guides that are years old.
Only thing that confuses me is your killboard 
Guessing this is an alt but even then, look slike a bait character that is either not doing well, or doing too well, or if there is a pinata that I’m missing.
I don’t think I’d jump you…
I don’t get out much. More of an indy guy. Last time I played bait was like 7 years ago in lowsec. Don’t worry about jumping me though. You’ll probably never run into me.
Ahh okay so you’re just good at not dying. Fairly good accomplishment for indy toon.
Especially if you’re good at not dying in jspace. At least the mining boats are actually fit correctly, though personally i’d ditch the second mining mod for a DCU, but then again, you’re not losing em so there is that.
Sorry, I stole this from another dude in another post, but it seems to fit!
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I think they should have an option besides “use local or die” especially when local is being removed. Because yes, thats just stupid. A single assault frigate breaking through a VNI to melt it? That sounds retarded and we both agree on this. Local is the only solution.
If you miss 10 seconds of dscanning you’re ■■■■■■. If you think the only solution is one that will push more botting you’re an idiot or an rmter. Dscan properly (aka make a bot that doesnt need bathroom breaks or ever have rl issues) is a retarded excuse to force hunter advantage
Covert ops shouldnt have the offensive capabilities that are FAR from “covert”. Neat. “Counter drop becus thats smart” again. Super umbrella only is a stupid ■■■■■■■ argument.
This will push botting, which it sounds like you want. You want bots that never rest that have to hit dscan every 5 seconds because unlike wormholes, you can have a MUCH higher power projection in null, and everyone whose ever been there knows it.
If you think otherwise, you’re wrong.
Aye. I take every precaution when mining and keep 120% safe when hauling. Preparation and evasion is the name of the game. Though nowadays I only log in like once a week so there have been less opportunities for screw ups the last year or so.
Any miner can survive using small ships and never logging on
An excellent idea. Anything to make null sec a little harder is good by me. Hopefully, this combined with Drifter attacks can be the power bloc reset this game so desperately needs. Let the null bears whine and do their little boycotts and embargos. Eve as a whole will be better if without them.
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Without local bots are screwed and the rest of your points are the reason that players don’t need skill to survive in null as was the last point I made on the post your responding to. Get good dude. Null is the endgame.
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Lets see here… okay so a ‘single assault frigate’ gets into your system and is beating up a cruiser. When I PvE in a 56M ISK VNI it can passively tank [pulls up pyfa] … 540 DPS… omni damage. Makes about… 40-80M [edit, I’d forgot to divide by 2] an hour? I don’t know what that assault frigate has on it but he’s getting some hellaciously high DPS I’ve never seen before. Also I might mention that assault frigates are most certainly not able to fit a covert cloak…
Don’t shitfit your ships.
The bots using dscan still doesn’t make them work intelligently. They’ll fail, burn and die.
Actually the argument isn’t that you need to counter drop them. It’s that you need to stop being a lazy pleb, and learn to align. Can’t get jumped then. Plain and simple.
Your argument doesn’t make even one lick of sense. Please, by all means, come up with a logic board that describes programmatically how a bot would be able to use the information gained from [edit] dscan plus intel to determine when it is safe to go back to its ratting or mining function. Please do this. I’d love to see the first AGI ever made by human hands.
And I hate to say it (actually I fib, i love it), you are most certainly, and absolutely wrong.
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