…Bots can dscan far more reliably thjan humans. Get out to null, educate yourself.
And by your own admission, to do that youll need to log in more than once a week.
First off, thanks. I put quite a bit of effort into anything I bother to write about, nice to know someone is reading it.
When I say don’t warp straight to citadel I’m just trying to make the safer assumption that the citadel is off scan from where you are. I’m trying to assume the person I’m talking to has as little knowledge of the game as I can when giving this advice. I’ve caught people in bubbles trying to warp straight to citadel/station before by dropping a bubble in line with them and I’ve have also caught people warping to citadel/station because their drones aggressed on me when I initially found them and they tried to dock/tether with an aggression timer. Obviously the better your knowledge of the game the better decisions you can make based on what is happening to you in any given situation.
I’ve played EVE for 11 years now on and off, I’ve done virtually everything at one time or another, that includes teaching new players and AFK moon mining in a wormhole. When doing so I had a heavily tanked Skiffs (IIRC that’s the really tanky exhumer) and an alt actively manning the citadel with multiple jammers fitted. When audio queues prompted me to look back at what was happening I was able to jam and attack the invaders with the citadel and extract my ships. In short I had a plan in place for an obvious scenario of a lone hunter or small gang trying to gank my barges.
Beyond that, I was simply prepared to accept the consequences of my inattention.
As far as I’m concerned that is the most critical aspect of the entire thing. I learned to treat my ships as I initially treated ammunition when I started playing, expending them isn’t so much a setback as it is the plan.
Most of the points I listed are simply insights from being on both sides of the hunter/hunted divide and what was both most effective for me evading hunters as well as what gave me the most trouble when I was looking for others. Conversely the things I was able to catch people with or the things that caught me. This includes in and out of wormholes where there is already no local. I can be tricked but I don’t fall for the same trick twice.
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Go out and play the game, if you think a vni makes 80+m/hour that says enough about your ignorance.
Yes. Bots exist that can use dscan just as much as local.
And no, I am not wrong. Just because you don’t like what I say doesn’t make it wrong.
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I talk big, but there’s nothing our small corp can do against null sec. Who can hurt them now is the WH corps. Ever use Siggy to move like the wind? Under the right circumstances, they can draw off the umbrella. Strike hard and still get out. Poor null if they ever get their act together…
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Sure, I can use a keyboard macro that presses V for me in a way that CCP might not approve of (and can detect). However, what your failing to understand is that there is not a way, with our current level of botting programs, to interpret that data in a useful and meaningful way that doesn’t end up with the bot being dead. There just plain isn’t the programming, even at a state actor level, to do that in a way that everyday people can use on a PC.
I log in every day. A simple cursory check would confirm this. You’re starting to show that you really need to keep your face-hole shut because we’re all going to start laughing at you, even those on your side of the argument.
Also, yes, the VNI can easily make that amount. You need to farm in better places.
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If you can’t dscan once every 5-10 seconds then you shouldn’t be in null or a wormhole. A bot at best can dscan every 3 seconds as per the cool down. Both humans and bots will be doing 360 max range scans. In other words a bot IS NOT “far more reliable” at dscan. You just suck or expect people to be able to suck and survive.
What more can I say…
Google vni ticks.
And dscan if shiptype == dangership (make a dangership object) Boom, have i blown your mind? A simple minimal amount of effort on your part to appear less ignorant would go far.
But you aren’t capable. You’re showing that all you care about is having things your way and anyone disagreeing can’t possibly know anything, but im sorry. It just makes you look uneducated
So in other words both friend and foe will make a bot dock up because you can’t decern pilot or affiliation from dscan? Well there ya go. I didn’t even think about that but that’s another nail in the bot coffin. Thanks for proving my point cause your dumb.
Play the game yourself before talking ■■■■. You don’t even acknowledge arguments just spout the same ■■■■■■■■ over and over.
Yes dscan exists. It doesnt fix any of the issues in this thread. Get over it.
Not that CCP will give a damn, theyll force this change like they do all others and itll benefit the big blocs per usual, and nothing more. Debating is pointless because people like you who “log in once a week and mine safely” dont even comprehend other playstyles that involve actually playing the damn game in a way you can’t comprehend.
Good luck with the changes, dont cry too hard when they dont work out well
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You’re a moron who doesn’t even understand how botting, hunting, or the game works.
I’m not sure quite what your meaning here is? As far as WH corps vs Null, nah, we’d get freakin stomped. The eviction of Rage proves that.
Granted, jspacers can, if the local change is permanent, and with enough numbers, do that to nullsec corps, which will put the power balance on much more shaky ground.
Lots more people use pathfinder than siggy. Siggy cotss a small fortune, and so far in my experience wasn’t better than pathfinder. Maybe just slightly less buggy.
Not sure how we’d “draw off the umbrella”… maybe with some serious multi-alliance/corp joint ops we could get someone to jump their titans out somewhere useless enough times to give them jump fatigue, but most of these large blocs have enough reserve caps, and warm bodies that are on all hours of the day that its not really feasible. I doubt WH cohesion would stay solid long enough to deal with that.
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Your just saying that cause you proved without a doubt my theory that botting is screwed without local by mistake.
No, dumbass. I said specifically itll make botting more prevalent. Read what i said.
Your theory is based on pretending reality doesnt exist so your weird fantasy where bots cant do anything but read local which is… insanely stupid. It’s almost unbelievable… unless you’re baiting me.
Then good job.
Beam me up Scotty!
Thing is, he’s also backed up by quite a few other people in this thread. And he is acknowledging what you posted, and correcting you since you’re obviously incorrect. With your incessant (and baseless) comments, you keep inserting your foot further and further in your mouth.
I think maybe you’re just getting polemic and just can’t see the facts presented, almost like an anti-vaxxer or flat-earther.
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No you said that bots will see ship type and run off when a potentially dangerous ship shows up. Since pilots don’t show on dscan that means ANYONE who flys a mining frigate, Proc/skiff and every single non indy ship through a system with a bot said bot will dock up. And frankly that makes perfect sense to program so that the bot stays “safe” but it also means that bots gonna be docked 18-23 hours a day which means that it’s practically useless.
I’m actually elated right now. Never in my life has someone arguing against me handed me such an indisputably perfect point for my side.
Exactly. Also the one case I could almost see a way to deal with this programmatically (I would never program a bot but I know how to), was to put several “slave” bots on entry points, and have the “functional” bots receive intel from those bots.
They could possibly detect gate-fire, and see a non-blue in overview, so a normal ship that passes through without a cloak would be seen enter, and leave.
However if that ship has a cloak, they could confuse the bot by warping to another (or the same) gate, and just cloaking up, and warping off cloaked if they’re covert.
There is also the programmatic issue of recon ships like the curse, rook, etc. The bot wouldn’t be able to track it in any way aside from overview.
I’ll also add that this adds a much, much higher degree of complexity to the bot, and would also require more accounts to be subbed, reducing the profitability of the bot/RMT… assuming that the programmatic issues outlines could even be dealt with.
And let’s not forget to mention that such a program would be a hell of a lot easier for CCP to detect.
No. I’m tired of repeating myself to people not even addressing what im saying.
Bots can dscan and the reply is “HUR DUR HOOMANS DSCAN BOTS SUCK AND DIE THO” is…just retarded. It doesnt answer anything. At all.
Have fun with the changes, have fun thinking wormhole mechanics youre used to will work in kspace.
You will be surprised, and when you are dont cry too hard.
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See while that’s possible it’s fairly complicated to have individual bots communicate. More importantly it doesn’t solve for people already in system or someone coming in through a wormhole. Also without local the bot can’t tell the difference between literally seeing somebody leaving through a gate and someone disappearing from dscan. Computers don’t have object permanence.
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