No they picked a fight with people they can farm with impunity.
But you got to the issue that it is too out of balance for small and medium sized alliances. As long as you are all happy with the results of this then continue on your merry way.
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Asymmetrical warfare. No local is a great boon for that.
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I am fascinated whether at the end point when it comes down to sheer numbers and power, whether asymmetrical warfare can deal with an entity like the Goons who can just blob you with Titans, and can do asymmetrical warfare so much better than anyone else.
It will result in many small alliances to be greatly challenged by null sec entry. However many medium alliances may find new grounds to explore. If this change remains, then it is very likely many of the larger alliances will be forced to shrink to make their land more manageable, and to decrease the number of defense fleets that they have to set up. I will point out a failing of yourâs though. Creativity and vision, just because a small alliance will likely be unable to set up a home base in null sec, doesnât mean they canât go into null sec to do exploration, ninja mining, or what other activity they wish to perform.
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I play in 0.0 from the my first year in eve. Allmost 12 years. Now is about time to cancel my 5 subscriptions.
Thank you for this
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Dscan!?! Really? Whatâs stupid dscan doing in my orca??? If I have you on the screen it is too late for me! Like I said, I have no desire for you pvplers to play the clay pigeon! And donât come to me with you have drones! Even a frigate fitted on pvp I do not get shot down with the tiny dps of a hulk or mackinaw! And a skiff has too little yield! I am miner and my defense is the local and the docking at the station. Try to fit ewar, tank and the maximum yield on a hulk etc! It DOES NOT work!!! Just like you want to get the maximum out of your ships for pvp, those who have chosen the industry part of eve want to get the maximum out of their mining ships. I am not a pvpler! You have fun with it? Beautiful you should have. If you catch me ok stupid run for me. But I have fun with the PvE part of eve! To each his request! If everyone would only do pvp there would be no more ships and modules sometime! Save the stupid comments âthen nobody will miss youâ. But you will miss us at the latest when your ships and modules suddenly cost much more!!!
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They are quite big and have many members but even Goons canât be everywhere at all times. Can they simultaneously hotdrop dozens and dozens of systems?
Everybody will be asymmetrically (kung-fu) fighting.
Glorious. Active. Engaging.
But those opposed to no local would rather afk mine and farm anoms in safety, itâs rather boring if you ask, well, anyone. I can not honestly believe someone is excited by mining their 17th load of ore in their 6th rorqual.
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I disagree, you donât give enough credit to âsigsâ
As for the creativity and vision side of things, I have already pointed out that small and medium sized alliances will have to get their income from outside of nullsec once this hits home, in fact the only reason any small or medium sized alliances should keep nullsec space is to set up traps for the less well endowed hot droppers.
At an individual player vs player level the balance will be too far in favour of the hunter. Many people will not want to play that game and I canât blame them as while I could operate in a ninja way I donât like the idea of playing Russian roulette, it is not something I find stimulating or interesting based on using my own wits and the choices I make to keep myself safe.
While I understand why CCP is doing this it just ruins the game for many people.
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Mine where you have local then if you need it so badly.
Maybe change your defense strategy; as the one youâre currently using is about to evaporate.
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Never used a Rorqual and have never AFK ratted or mined in nullsec.
The defender will have the fun of undocking purely to Russian roulette, hardly engaging play.
I too mine occasionally on a decent R32 or 64. often in lowsec people come and try to harass the miners. except I also have combat ships too. nullsec moon mining was almost exactly the same since other groups can scout your moons and prepare. it seems you have developed quite the prey mentality instead of buying some combat ships and going out to solve the problem with your own 2 hands. not all fights are winnable, but overly aggresive PvErs who constantly undock to fight actually deterred a good 50% of people from coming into our null pocket
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EVE should not revolve purely around fighting. Period.
Non-PVP isnât actually the right term for those of us who mine, build, explore and rat. They PVP. For them, the player versus the other player is trying to prevent the other guy from killing you. Itâs a cat-and-mouse game that has worked for 16 years.
And CCP is about to blindfold the mouse.
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'It like playing Russian Roulette"
There are two key things in EVE, two universal rules that Iâve learn the hardway after many years in eve online.
âEVE is an inherently PVP game.â and number two: âAll risk can be mitigated if you are willing to put the effort into it.â They have greatly increase the amount of effort required to mitigate the risk in null, people disagree, and people agree with the changes. People threaten to quit, and unsubscribe, then there are those that open the change with open arms, and agreed to subscribe to see what the fuss is all about.
At the end of the day I believe the changes are positive, and it will put a better divide on the sectors, and end the âNull is safer than highâ shenanigans. It is clear that you disagree with me, but at the end of the day it developers that make the decision, and it looks like they are willing to take the risk to shake things up a little bit, and hopefully this speaks of a future of certain aspects of the game to be reworked, and rebalanced.
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It is a sandbox and is what you make of it, this concept that many player have that it is purely a PvP game is wrong.
I am not sure how I can mitigate someone logging in to an off-scan safe and then coming in on me and dropping a ton of stuff through a cyno. Well actually I do, donât play in an area that this is possible, which is why many people are now planning to leave nullsec, like me they are totally uninterested in such Russian Roulette.
Of course options are to cyno jam your system, so make it that they have to use BLOPâs, but then you have the issue of having to have a counter drop cyno fleet ready to come in with the required oooomph to clear what comes in. So small and medium sized entities will struggle to maintain that. Then you have the simple fact that in the majority of BLOPâs drops you will likely not even formed your response by the time the defender is blown up and they have got safe.
I have seen this type of thing a lot in the existing system, so without local it just gets stupidly over-powered.
As I have operated in both areas I never agreed with the statement that nullsec was safer than hisec. I do know that moving a freighter through the pipes in hisec was more dangerous than super ratting in nusllec however. It depends what you do, sweeping generalisations are not good in any balance assessment.
Yes they are, at the nullsec Empire side of things it is obviously aimed at shaking that, but I fear that all it will do is entrench the superiority of major nullsec power blocks under their massive super umbrellaâs and push those that donât want to be part of them into lowsec and hisec, most probably hisec.
I expect that Observational Arrayâs will be developed which will make hunting harder.
I would like something that enables you to pick up an echo of a sig to indicate someone cloaked up in system. I want all the other free intel removed from the map and from dotlan.
If this is a permanent change, at some point in time after most of nullsec is a wasteland apart from the areas covered by super umbrellaâs, some brave souls may go out and ninja mine and ninja rat because all of the easy kill brigade have given up and this would create a balance of sorts. Not sure if it is what people really want, maybe it is.
I am being realistic about this being a player that has operated in very hostile environments in this game. Russian Roulette is not fun, period!
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Yes, it is a sandbox, however it inherently pvp, and has a huge number of mechanics that support that statement. You can kill people at will, while high sec has a punishment system, it doesnât in anyway stop people from salvaging your goods. The systems of building ships require a demand: If things are not exploded, eventually you will hit a point of oversaturation. Space is limited, and player own facilities can perform many, if not all the jobs of a normal station but better. The market is hyper competitive, you can not put your stuff on the market at what ever price you want, and expect to make a profit. Items can be stolen, and lossâŚAnd these losses are not reimbursed unless it was done by an exploit or out of game actionâŚIn short, everything in this game encourages people to have conflict with other people.
As for the rest of your quotes, we can agree to disagree.
Even with local every time you un-dock no matter where you are really you put your ship at risk that is EVE and the Old adage is never fly something you cant afford to replace. But Aside from that is seems may become even more one sided. How people chose to deal with it that remains to be seen , I will stay in the game find a place if needed my skills are of use.
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Yes Conflict is supported but remember something called logistics and this is important to any corporation and is filled more so then not by the PVE or Mining ships. To fuel the larger conflicts, I have been in a real Navy I under stand Targets of Opportunity and the like but EVE seems to be in a time of a pinnacle of technology canât even have a friend or foe device to let you know who is around oh wait that was local.
But it is what it is.
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I knew you would not miss my post. 
Try 5000th. Or 50,000th. And titans, not carriers. Weâve been doing it for years. Weâll keep doing it.