How would you know without local and killboards? Let’s wait and see what the actual data shows when we get proper boards and datasets over time.
Nah, people have spies that utalise the local chat as well as intel channels; too dark without it all.
I dont, i use a proper scout; spying not really my style.
Not sure how bombers bar works but someone said blackout was too hard for them in this thread somewhere which would speak volumes about bb tbvh.
a)zkill is not the only killboard. If you have your own killboards with the corp ESI keys for all the corps in your alliance/coalition, you still know what’s dying.
b)we’ve got a lot of eyes floating around cloaky.
They did finally show up tonight, yeah. Even got a kill. The exact same kind of shitfit Nyx they’d have gotten last weekend.
Yeah, Pathfinders caught them trying to roll a few holes in, and collapsed them. Mar5hy was pretty pissed off.
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It’s the withdrawal effect of no local. Your d-scan is only 14au. The systems are not less ‘empty’ as before the changes when every krab was docked up with any neutral 5 jumps away.
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yeh like the ceptor fleets that zarvox did, its fun for many but not really for me - but then i dont drink and like to play an active part in games.
Probably gets more pissed when wormholers smartbomb the whole gang 
I somehow suspect you’re still rather short on data when it comes to movement in Delve when local isn’t a thing. That’s just something cloaky eyes aren’t going to compensate for, unless you’re admitting to the bloc using reporting bots of some kind? If not, cloaky eyes are very human eyes that miss all kinds of things. Especially since that’s almost always entirely delegated to alts on second monitors etc. It’s drudge work that can only be reliable if automated by outlawed bots.
Besides, it’s barely been days, and what your killboards show is kind of irrelevant until we see what the rest of nullsec looks like. There’s way too much noise on Discords and elsewhere about content spikes to take some anecdotal Delve commentary as particularly telling of much of anything. We need full systematic data to work with, over a longer timeperiod.
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Cloaky eyes are very human eyes. However, they’re alert and looking for hostiles.
I think you seriously overestimate how diligent Goons were about actually reporting people coming through local, in the intel channels.
Well, considering my statement wasn’t about the rest of nullsec, I don’t see how it even matters what the rest of nullsec looks like. There was a lot of crowing here and on reddit about them coming for us. They ain’t been comin’, so far. That’s all I’m saying.
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our fc is a former bombers bar fc. and you may be right and it just feels empty.
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This sounds unlikely. I’m trying to imagine someone reliably staring at the overview on a gate-grid, catching all comers. You know the kind of effort and time I’ve personally put into stalking and waiting out prey I can actually verify is there, and even that was a very close to impossible task to be reliable about. Someone sitting and watching a gate grid reliably without even having a prey to motivate?
Dude’s watching Netflix a damn sight more than the overview, I can tell you that much.
Fear of the Dark
A relevant song given the topic and such an awesome live performance.
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Nah, he’s sitting in Theta comms, talking with everyone else, watching the gate and running the monitor through OBS so he can rewind if he misses something.
Ive known people that actually relish that scouting type of role and have sat there cloaked watching gates.
Maybe had an alt doing other things but tbvh if you dont need to make isk or your a trader and like to chat its actually more or less a perfect place to sit.
Turn most sounds down, and turn ambient up. you will hear gate activate everytime someone comes through. then just watch from cloaky ship to see who lands and report it.
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Well, the CCP workers have waited? the number of players has decreased by 1/3. wait a little longer and see how many players have become alpha accounts. and then calculate how many plex were purchased and how many dollars you lost during these 2 weeks
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By what? We’re 3k down right now. That’s about 13%, not 33%, from last week.
This seems rather unreliable. It takes a single tick to reactivate cloak after a jump. You can almost literally miss it when blinking. As someone who’s spent an inordinate amount of time doing exactly this kind of stalking and watching as the primary means of fighting enemies in Eve, you’re vastly overestimating the intel coverage from relying on human eyes to do ■■■■ all, compared to bots just copypasting local.
If the eyes aren’t the exact same kinds of bots as that, they’re missing a whole lot of movement. Guaranteed. Or at least I dearly hope so, because the alternative is people literally spending their time watching gates while cloaked and that sounds too /r/aboringdystopia for me to even contemplate seriously.
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hes running obs, basically streaming to himself so he can rewatch if he misses something; if hes sat a few jumps out at a pipe entry system he has plenty of time.
Something might get through, but its doubtful.
So how would he know he needs to go back and watch if he missed it the first time? That’s even worse. Watching the gate for ages. Twice.
Things’ll get through. Human surveillance, both in real life and in-game is notoriously unreliable and that’s even during active and attentive scouting. Potentially hours of passively watching something? That’ll get unreliable right quick fast in a hurry.
Yea, I agree people get bored/distracted way to easily, apart from a 20 man fleet jumping a gate all at once causing a light show on someones monitor It would be very hard to see and keep track of much smaller group’s locations.
Especially if they are smart and jump gates separately with a decent delay between each other.
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And people wonder why bots exist…
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