The Blackout doesnt do much except remove a lot of the social aspect of the game - you dont feel like youre in a populated region, you cant say hi to buddies not in fleet, you cant even communicate with the people in the same mining anomaly since it jeopardizes you all, but basically it stops all communications with non fleet members as you move through systems - so you dont get to meet your friends, you dont get to find them unless you stay in frantic contact etc - the whole thing is just a big boring unsocial fad in my eyes - the enemy hasnt even been able to find me or provide me any useful content wether I won or not - if anything its just like âboomâ youre dead haha you couldnt defend, counter, scout, surveill or anything - well, unless you had 5 alts with level 5 scanning probing and 5 screens and and and⌠so NO ccp - this was just pure CRAP - if people enjoy that kind of playstile we have wh space. If I wanted this I would go to wh space. if this becomes some kind of permanent thing Iâm unsubbing 3 of my 4 subscribed accounts and asking 10 k other of my alliance members to do the same. I dont have time or spend my money to sit and be permanently annoyed and deprived of the few social links the game had other than outside game connection like mumble etc. sorry - but this just didnt work for me. Maybe if I had more energy this weekend I might have joined the roams but⌠as it is it failed utterly for me.
Well, now you dont have to watch local all day because there isnt any!
Uh, there are other ways of communicating with people besides local chat. If you are in null, then people in your anom should be blue to you, which means you have channels and can make channels to talk that wonât expose you in local. You think wormholers donât talk to each other when doing stuff?
Honestly, a bunch of people bailing out of null would be a good thing, so threatening to do so isnât really a threat. Let people who are willing to work for space and isk and do what it takes to keep it have null, they are the ones who should get it anyways.
Itâs weird how this null-sec-vs-not-null-sec player rivalry exists. Like, thereâs room for all of us to play the game how we want? The number of players who donât live in null who are cheering this on is stupid and spiteful.
There are two particularly bad parts of this âexperimentâ:
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The way a core mechanic was changed without warning or discussion with players or the CSM. Hey, maybe some important high sec mechanic that you like is next! Maybe this should concern you even if you donât live in null?
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The way it makes an overwhelming cap umbrella even more important. Isnât that like, the number one complaint about the big null sec alliances? But instead of addressing it in any intelligent or nuanced way, CCP makes it basically crucial to have in order to use the big isk-making toys. This isnât going to deter a big fleet of rorqs with a cap umbrella.
Does CCP even have a goal with this? What is it supposed to fix? Thereâs no dev blog discussing it, despite it being one of the largest fundamental changes to gameplay since, I donât know, the addition of warp-to-zero maybe? The whole thing feels like someone at CCP just wanted to break stuff for fun and see how many players would get pissed off about it. lolz I guess?
There is a devblog from 2004 describing how Local chat is a problem. CSM asked CCP for delayed/disabled local since at least CSM6. There is a 5000+ posts threadnaught about local and afk cloakies discussing this very thing. So you are just plainly wrong.
I am also a blind player. I use dragon speak to play by text to voice. in my 10 years of play I have adjusted to gameplay as it has changed. I do PVP on my combat character but mostly I mine and build because it is the best way for me to feel useful while I enjoy my coprmates in comms. the change from watching (or in my case listening ) to local to a more fixed position watching gates simply doesnât work for me. D scan is just a nightmare and if i donât see you until you show on Dscan its too late anyway⌠without a large umbrella alliance the mining game simply doesnât work for me now, I continue to play my combat and research characters. Will wait to see what the outcome of this event is.
Nice to know there are other sight impaired people out there , I was the only one at the last fanfest I attended
Agree with much of what youâve saidâespecially the analogy with the nuclear weapons resulting in protracted cold wars without many big battles. Than you look at the situation at the player level.
Why fight when most of it is going to be either monitoring a cloaked character in any enemy system or doing dozens of mind-numbingly boring structure grinds per system with little to no large gain from a big loot drop.
Even worse is the defenders; why fight when thereâs really no much to looseâ15% asset safety is very easy to absorb, again boring often tydi structure fights and typically after months and months of being camped in by multiple cloakies that only have to play the game for an hour or so per week to be a viable threat. Just easier to stay docked and let NPCs save your stuff.
Perhaps most importantly is the funâwe groom Eve players with subcaps but at the point in the game where flying supers is all but necessary in NS. In my anecdotal experience most of my old friends that have left the game because of the power creep. It not that they couldnât fly capsâbut that caps were so effective against even fast nimble subcaps there was no point to flying smaller ships anymore that brought so much fun to the game. IMO CCP really needs to look at limiting the power of caps, nearly unlimted build up on combat power even in not-so good space and incentivise active fightingânot so easy.
Youâre⌠citing a 15 year old Dev Blog as evidence that this was discussed with the community?
Well, I guess that proves the point anyway! Not the one you intended to prove, but still.
Iâve âworked for Spaceâ for 4 years, grinding from when my corp alliance was under 1k, usually less than 100 online, less than 50 in fleet, entosising in awkward timezones for 20 hour stretches to win our space so yeah, no - I was willing to work for space and still have the highest fleet participation of anyone I know in those 4 years. As for âbailingâ - 1k - 1k+x members unsubbing 3 accounts would not even touch our alliance usage of nullsec but it sure as heck would hurt CCP profits. Besides, the signal isnât to you or other players and has zero to with the rest of you - and whether you think we deserve this or that is beyond inane. Like I said - the signal is to CCP. The one signal I CAN send and the one I WILL use if Iâm annoyed sufficiently. Complain all you want about whatever you feel or perceive is wrong with players who dont reach your standards - it just doesnât change my position, views or actions one iota.
No, i cite 15 year devblog as a point that it has been on the table for changes for years.
Just looking at the topic header clearly shows who have a jet cone burning from their rearsâŚ
Perhaps, people should go do something better than shitposting on the forums? Donât you think?
I try not to, thinking is hard work.
Ahem⌠you mean the scoreboard?
Your perspective certainly fits when we are discussing the major alliances in the game. But they are not the targets being hunted in Null. Their renters are. Most of which donât have the luxury of cap umbrellas. As for supercap alts, the vast majority of players do not have those.
This blackout will not really affect the established alliances other than giving their PVP players more kills that are easier to obtain, which is not something that benefits the game.
The most heavily hit by this blackout, will be those new to Null, and small alliances. The newer players in the game. If you have a drop in new people trying to learn about EVE, then this game will become really boring very fast .
If anything, those that want this game to survive should want Null to be easier for newer players and alliances, to encourage more people to play the game. But then, I doubt most established players are thinking about an important point. New players bring in more profits and more content. less profits means less content, and less service.
I guess what we really need to see is log on statistics for the blackout period. If there are substantially less players, then the blackout was a really bad idea. If there is an increase in logons, then it was a good idea. But really, we wonât actually know until the blackout period ends.
Cry some more. You really think CCP gives a crap? lol, you obviously donât know CCP.
Iâve always loved how null alliance try to muscle CCP, because somehow they are special and should be listened to more than the rest of the playerbase.
Obviously CCP is not willing to sacrifice their vision for the sake of profits, as they have always done things counter to profitablity. If you think you can influence them like a real capitalism based business, well I donât know what to tell you, it has never worked in the past, they arenât that kind of company.
As for complaining, lol, Iâm not the one complaining, threatening to unsub, etc. Only the folks that feel their precious bubble of safety is threatened are complaining.
Hell, you already have ridiculous asset safety, but that isnât enough for you guys, even though it is a BS mechanic.
So cry. cry away at CCP. Waste your breath and threaten them because you donât understand who they are. The rest of us will eat popcorn and laugh while harvesting your tears.
âCry some moreâ. Too juvenile. Discuss like an adult or dont respond at all. I dont come here to discuss with people who fling endless amounts of crap, and juvenile crap at that - waste of my time and I donât need to stoop to the level you invite people down to - end of story. Letâs leave it at that. But by all means - go on with your reddit level monologue all you want. Congrats.
tl;dr
null is the last good place to be in eve online
i dont want to mash dscan cuz that is jank wormhole business
everywhere else in eve sux
i unsub 8x accounts
etc details below
I avoid WH space (and now null) because I dont want to hit d-scan every second to get my intelligence from the game. I would rather they know where I am and I know when theyâre here; the fact that I am truly expected to hit âscanâ every second or two is absurd to me, so I avoid it.
âAdd an automatic update to d-scan when something is in range/etc if you want to include range as a meaningful mechanic to gather intel rather then a broad strokes who is in system/not. Iâve always found local complaints absurd when you could effectively sit on a wormhole + listen to noise or spam D-scan while cloaked to get perfectly safe intel just like local⌠I am going to assume the automatic update would have been done but due to bandwidth concerns/inability to implement this into the game it isnât.
âdo something to actually teach people about D-scan early on in the game, its a bizarre feature to me personally that just sorta exists without any purpose beyond finding structures/people that is very easy for people to not use despite being years into the game.(go ahead and ad hominem)
I would go to high sec but I get bumped and donât have a way to respond since a t1 cruiser with a MWD can bump my orca off ice/moons ad infinitium.
âAs well the game mechanics encourage level 4 missions/incursions to be ran with ânot worth it to gankâ fits giving no real purpose to gaining isk for fancy toys. there is only the joys of watching a number go up. Donât get me wrong, Iâve liked watching numbers go up but at least in null I can be somewhat safe with a fancy fit as long as Iâm not braindead. If you think thatâs a problem or not, idc; The environment of HS PvE âLOL U FIT UR SHIP EXPENSIVE U DESERVE TO DIE TO NADOSâ is simply a knowledge check and not a meaningful mechanic to the game.
I would go to low sec but there isnât a reason beyond circumstantial moon mining, which is good but thatâs all low has to offer besides jank t3 cruiser blobs and machs going where ever they please without any accountability; sometimes triglav fleets being op happens i guess
i was on the fence in general w/ eve but i havent bothered to spend the plex on my 8 accounts
lol@cloaky threads = problem with local
lol@anyone disagreeing with downies being labeled as RMT when this game literally has pay to win elements with buying plex for IRL cash supported by the game
Funny that you think a temporary lower login count of risk averse krabs is somehow a bad thing.
Null was never meant for newer players, it was meant to be hard. High risk, high reward.
Sad that the epidemic of entitlement attitude we see in society bleeds so heavily into EVE.
Well crap, I thought the skillboard was the measure of winning. You know, outside of successfully unsubbing and uninstalling for a length of time.
But really, we wonât actually know until the blackout period ends.
Oh, you can see it here:
https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
letâs see if the logins today reach 30k