Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread

Yes, I believe them when they say this is not PA. People rush to take credit for things. They don’t rush to take blame. If CCP’s doing something that pisses off a lot of people, and they say ‘this is all us’… believe it. Because if they could hide behind ‘PA made us’ they would.

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No, it wouldn’t. Because it doesn’t tell you if those players would keep playing if this is permanent. Literally the one piece of information CCP wants, it wouldn’t tell them.

Yeah man, you worked real hard to kill that guy who was pve fit, when you wouldn’t have taken the fight had you not known there was a good chance you would win, lol. And I’m sure it was soooo hard going through a staging system where they don’t know exactly which ship you are lol. (oh yeah, I forgot people used to do the same thing before the blackout!)

Sure it would, if they aren’t playing when it’s active, they aren’t going to magically step up and keep playing. Some sure, but again it would be diminishing, which like I mentioned is bad. You don’t need to see if they’ll adapt to something they clearly don’t like by forcing it upon them until they either quit or adapt, that’s a bad business model, lol.

practically ever gate in null has a structure on it now.

I also never claimed to be looking for “Good fights” I was hunting… I dont care if they cant defend themselves alone. Theyre in some of the biggest groups in the game… I wanted to make isk from looting their corpses while their friends moan on the forums that somewhere called null sec is no longer safe

Keep in mind each time i have posted the legal reasoning to the customer dissatisfaction for the eve online application performance. The posting have been deleted repeatedly.
Easy to become distracted from the real status of the demands for the customer experience.
CCP have violated the marketing foe the product may not provide refunds for in game items therefore a large amount of FIAT currency is in the process before the mass subscription cancellation.
IF PLAYERS WERE ABLE TO READ THE UNANNOUNCED CHANGE FOR THE NULL SEC BLACKOUT AN THE DRIFTER INVASION ATTACKS

instead eve online product is marketed completely differently by which players spend FIAT Currency for an announced change at which leave the player whom completed FIAT Currency transactions within the eve online secure shopping cart are now mislead.
Again: misrepresentation for services.

Buy PLEX is the same as purchasing a ticket to a movie in a theater
when the movie is horrible even after watching the complete film then the dissatisfaction requires a complete refund at which the refund is processed then completed immediate without delay.

Now for the moment to consider this more than a null sec blackout for the large mass subscription cancellation.

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and? lol. So what you’re saying is, you like the blackout because it’s increased innactivity (aka the guys sitting docked up, reinforcing the point I’ve made that activity (logged on accounts) isn’t indicative of the number of active players) which makes it easier for you to get kills because you have less fear of a reaction force, while complaining about transiting a staging system where you’re literally a ship with no identifier so you could be blue or nuet no one knows (staging system even larger player group, even harder to narrow down 1 ship) and you had a guy in a pve ship that wasn’t tanked to fight you (i’m sure you used the appropriate ammo to capitalize on his lack of tank in whatever area) and you almost died doing it…lol, all the odds in your favor, and you took some dmg so it’s still not “totally safe” lmao

I’m often forced to mine solo because of limited playing time and unfavorable mining fleet schedules. Before local went dark, mining was tense but acceptable, and I lost an occasional ship due either to carelessness, RL interruptions, or recklessness. At times, I felt like a fish in a barrel. Now, though, I feel like a BLIND fish in a barrel, and I don’t like the feeling at all. For me to continue playing a game, it has to be fun. This latest change is not fun at all.

My subscription (3-months via Amazon) expires in about 6 weeks. If local is still dark, I will not re-subscribe. I suspect that many other players will do the same thing.

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Well, if CCP turns on the local one, I’ll think that I’ll delete my account and hope that people who love from PVP will do the same so that the sobbing miner can dig until it turns blue.

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This is not at all true. Not even remotely.

If, for example, in 2015 we had been told ‘ok, so, Jump Fatigue will only happen on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays’… nobody would have moved capitals on those days. We’d have just moved them the other half of the week. On the days when the conditions we didn’t like were in effect, we just wouldn’t do that thing.

What you’re suggesting would mean that that usage pattern would tell CCP whether or not we’d continue to move capitals around if there was jump fatigue all the time. Specifically, it would tell CCP ‘no, if you put in jump fatigue, most people will never move capital ships around’. Clearly, that data would have been bad. Because there was. And we did.

People react differently to things they can avoid than things they just have to endure. If it’s easy to keep playing EVE without dealing with the thing you like, you’ll do that. That doesn’t mean that you’d stop playing EVE if you couldn’t avoid it. It doesn’t mean you wouldn’t stop playing EVE if you couldn’t avoid it. It does not provide meaningful data for that use case.

And that is the data CCP needs. Data that does not actually provide that information, being presented as data that does, is bad.

Using Eve Offline Status site to verify if the Local Blackout is causing more or less login numbers is just plain silly.

Every new expansion is advertised ahead of time which always causes an increase in log-in numbers. After the novelty wears off, the actual numbers then settle back down. This Blackout isn’t an expansion and wasn’t advertised as such.

Also there’s a lot of different variables that can affect the login numbers besides in-game content.

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Which is why you need data over an extended period of time.

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Maybe try communication with people… Oh wait… Thats impossible on the scale of 1000 faceless nerds you’ve never spoke to…
Play with friends? Your sites will go fasters and one stratios might not be enough to kill you both. Again… You need to have some social skills i suppose as the Prereq Friends: Lvl 1 requires more than putting in your skill queue.

Maybe the change from this should be in how people behave? Have some co-ordination with each other like people do in WH Space.

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I think that’s a bad comparison to begin with, Jump Fatigue overall did not have anywhere near the impact that the blackout has, in terms of numbers or activities. Specifically because it targeted a group of people not eve as a whole, not everyone has or uses caps, and honestly the power blocks have more than enough capital pilots to account for the jump fatigue. So that’s a bad comparison, and didn’t even come close to touching the issue of player activity the blackout has caused.

lol so the rest of eve should change to fit your playstyle of “I want it as easy as you can possibly give it to me with little to no risk” (que hate and discontent towards miners/ratters who have the same logic) lmao

Oh and to your logic, why don’t you “hunt” in groups then? Was easily done before the blackout, still easily done with it (if not millions of miles easier)? Or is it you just want easy kills to feel like you’re accomplishing something (when ironically making them easier delineates their value to begin with…? lol)

reading your most recent player post once i have posted AGAIN the same legal descriptions for the product dissatisfaction…
Now players may focus on not the type of game play
Focus on the misrepresentation of the product from marketing resources in the affiliation of CCP Games for the product of EVE ONLINE.
The number of time at which the legal explanation for the mass customer base for CCP Games as to the misrepresentation.
All areas of eve online content is part of the game…
Without the indy miners explorers newie an d veteran alike there will end being not much to pvp with in eve online for all the support players in the virtual civilization will cease to exist…

  • EVE ONLINE becomes a game of the past…
  • Players want change…
    -Protest then demand even as an alpha to have CCP operate in the complete corporate transparency required of any an all public Corporations by law.

Demand answers
Customers in eve online are also part of the business as investors one account at time per transaction within the eve online shopping cart.
CCP Your customers demand for transparency

I tend to agree that this was either thought out and its like ‘screw you’ or it wasn’t thought out …neither scenario makes me feel like a valued customer honestly. Its not whether the change is good or bad at this point, its taht CCP has basically declared civil war and picked a side and then gave up long traditions of communication and dev blogs.

Blackout Forever .
Thats is ok .

The blackout doesn’t target EVE as a whole, either. Only nullsec. And I wasn’t talking about only the blocs moving capitals. Plenty of smaller groups, and individuals—in null and low-sec—use capitals, and move them. They use them for ratting. They use them for fighting. They use them for hauling (JFs and suitcase carriers, at the time).

The analogy is perfectly valid, and the point about usage patterns varying depending on whether or not the individuals involved are told that negative effects are intermittent stands. If you want usable data about a use case, you need to collect data about that use case, not something else that you then try to imagine means the same thing. Eliminate absolutely as many variables as you can. Every single one that remains reduces the validity of your data.