I wish we could stop referring to people as PvP players and PvE players. There was a time when people had to PvP in order to get their PvE. Also, in a time before botting, PvP players used to mine and manufacture their own ships.
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Its not OP lol, its the opposite. Local itself is OP.
No, not impossible. Simply more risk which you could alleviate by yennoe, playing with other players and using the in game tools. Shocking right?
Yesm. I made my own ammo in low 
Here’s the reality: when CCP did this in null during the Black Out, they saw a massive drop in people being online. If they did it in a permanent fashion, they would lose subs. A lot of subs.
Like it or not, local probably isn’t going to changem. And the only reason I use the word probably is because I rarely deal in absolutes.
Oh I absolutely know.
I’m just saying I’d love it LOL.
Certain ships would def get used more. People would flee to HS but then conversely low, except for certain pipes would be ghost towns and ripe for use for those willing to fight and hold it. ’
Also Uedama and other choke points would burn but actually it’d also affect ganking somewhat too.
Nobody seems to care about the cloaky alts that unsubbed after mobile observatories came out. Why does anybody care about nullsec botters?
As someone who defended cloak camping; I don’t have a problem with mobile observatories as they offered a reasonable counter to non-active play. Non-active play is something CCP is trying to get away from; thus the nullifer and WCS changed. This change falls in line with that vision… so this is somewhat of a red herring argument fallacy, but I’ll entertain it…
I doubt very few accounts were unsubbed for this. Why? Because you can still park them in enemy systems and observe and scout… you just have to be at your keyboard to cycle the cloak to keep the buff that prevents them from being uncloaked by said observatories.
I’m also betting those accounts doubled as SP farms… which people kept active to continue to farm.
People do care about botters; but not everyone in nullsec is a botter. And the framing of this question shows no real desire to have a good faith discussion on the topic at hand.
Gix is having a good faith discussion about the topic, you are not.
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You can clearly see the online player count drop by at least 5000 in the weeks that followed the mobile observatories. They have not recovered, but whatever you say, chief.
Lol why don’t you adapt then? This thread is a out changing local .. you not happy with it? Adapt or die
Adapt bro.
No, all you would see is empty space with no one in them, and then let the river tears from roamers with no one to hunt.. happened before, as ppl told you many times.
Uh. Sigh. Yennoe, I know you think this is a gotcha. However, its just embarrassing for you 
There is nothing to adapt to as of yet, as nothing has changed. So its not so much that I have to adapt to local now, as nothing is different.
Adaptation only occurs when something changes, not stays the same.
Oof. I feel for you man
That isn’t the “roamers” fault. Rather it is people who can’t adapt and need the crutch of local to survive.
The fact that you’re so worked up about this is pretty comical honestly.
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If there’s nothing to adapt to, then stop crying for changes… Very embarassing for you..
Yet you cry a river for local to change… Adapt and stop crying, a lot of ppl hunt others, they bubble their exit, make log off traps, bait, most of them get nice kills, you still here crying for changes …
What work up? Trowing the true in crying babies faces is a bonus, i can do it all night..
Crying? I simply want to the challenge It appears you do not tho huh?
Again, it isn’t about me adapting ROFL. I believe the change would be good, you want the status quo. You don’t adapt to the status quo, it is the status quo ROFL.
Nah bro you seem pretty triggered. I’m guessing you were one of the ones docked up and shivering at the thought of all that black space out there and no local to save you huh
Interesting idea!
An alternative could be no local by default, but a deployable structure that can be anchored and upgraded to provide local info. Let’s call it the “Hyperspace awareness & local-space Obervatory” beacon or otherwise know as the Halo beacon.
- No Halo = no local intel
- Stage 1 Halo = local delayed by 30 sec
- Stage 2 Halo = local delayed by 15 sec
- Stage 3 Halo = Real time local
It could also mean that invading parties could target the Halo beacon, to mask their presence and obscure future attacks on other structures.
This could lead to some interesting mechanics.
This is kind of a silly point, as I can turn this right back at you. How about we allow Sov holding entities to “hire” a peacekeeping NPC force to patrol and protect their space, in the same way Concord protects HS. This NPC Sov peacekeeping force reacts hostile to anything that isn’t set blue by the Sov holder.
How about you adapt or die to that?
See what I did there? 
This isn’t the same tho bruv.
Removing local wouldn’t mean adding an instant NPC defense force.
Its ok tho. Your bias is obv
I mean your choice of name tells me everything I need to know about you anyways
I was a little freaked out by those (cloaking is something I love and didn’t want messed with) at first but then I realized that they didn’t change a thing for me and not just because I wasn’t afk camping, they just struck me as a way for CCP to make something that does little and yet shuts up a great number of loud people in the process.
I’m curious if the player drop you are mentioning had more to do with that or more to do with some of the other things that happened right around the same time like the nerfing of interceptors for example.
Maybe it was just cumulative? Too many negative changes over to long a period of time perhaps, I honestly don’t know.
Yeah, I am gradually realizing that mobile observatories aren’t as common as I had feared they would be.
Yes, because that’s what this game needs. More deployables….
Make some ships that have a bonus to local chat delay then.
Hell yeah we need a delayed local. It would ruin so many bots. Just google how they work.
Sadly that is part of why we will never get it