Main AFK cloaky thread

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Alice_Accord

And yet here we are…

Yep, here we are with yet another renter trash whine thread because carebears refuse to use the proper place for their whines or bother paying attention to previous discussion on the subject.

[Scoots_Choco]

@Alice_Accord

No, but the perma cloaking enables this - it’s a combination that presents the issue.

Then why are you only asking for a counter to cloaky camping?

@Alice_Accord

And yet here we are…

Turns out ISDs are humans. When they come around, your thread will be locked and merged with the main thread, as do all other crybaby threads about cloaky camping.

[Alice_Accord]

@Scoots_Choco

Then why are you only asking for a counter to cloaky camping?

Well mainly because I’ve seen perma cloaking ships as a bit of an issue for years and years now, it seems bizarre to me that there is no counter to a ship out in space influencing things directly - whether they use cynos or not

[Alice_Accord]

Anyway I’m gunna head off, it’s late, and this thread has been attracting some not so pleasant and rather insulting replies that I’d rather not keep getting at this time of night.

Here’s hoping they come up with a viable solution to all our problems - night

[Derath_Ellecon]

@Alice_Accord

Well mainly because I’ve seen perma cloaking ships as a bit of an issue for years and years now, it seems bizarre to me that there is no counter to a ship out in space influencing things directly - whether they use cynos or not

And again. The problem isn’t the cloak. Cloaks are broken because of local.

The first time I ever used a cloak and saw my name in local I literally was like wtf, that makes no sense. How is that Stealthy? I guess then when wormholes came out I fell in love because it was where being stealthy made sense.

NOW, if you want to talk potential solutions something “I” think most people could get behind is on the sov side.

First, remove local in SOV null
Second, have some sort of mechanic/structure that brings back local. It is something you have to defend. It is also something strategic that could be knocked out.
Third, give it some way to be upgraded so that maybe it can force all cloaks to stop working in the system. You’d have to work for it, and again it could be destroyed to give people trying to attack a strategic advantage. [edit] or maybe it just makes cloaks flake out all the time. something like that.

Yea super rough top of my head idea. But something along those lines would be interesting, and feed into the SOV “have to maintain my space” vibe.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Alice_Accord

Well mainly because I’ve seen perma cloaking ships as a bit of an issue for years and years now, it seems bizarre to me that there is no counter to a ship out in space influencing things directly - whether they use cynos or not

It isn’t an issue. It’s just a popular whine topic from RMTers and renter trash who come to the forums to post about it every time their farming is interrupted. Don’t confuse volume of whine threads with the existence of a real issue.

[Scoots_Choco]

@Alice_Accord

it seems bizarre to me that there is no counter to a ship out in space influencing things directly - whether they use cynos or not

It seems bizarre to me that you think “being AFK” = “influencing things directly”.

@Alice_Accord

Here’s hoping they come up with a viable solution to all our problems - night

Here’s hoping that they won’t have to because you realize that it’s only your lack of a spine making your scared.

[Stille_Nacht]

Give me tools to hunt cloaked ships

Show the cloaked ships as a non-scannable (scannable at close range) signature, so you have a small chance with max skills to detect them with the Dscan and Warp-Bookmarks if they just fly afk in one direction, or even stand still for a long time. I mean, the cloaked ship displays as an signature like during scanning, but is non warpable, also not 100% scannable from far away. Something like new Item “Tachyon Scan”. As example this would be the new hunting/detecting possibility for cloaked shi…

[Stille_Nacht]

@Xeux

people can’t do much while cloaked

@Algathas

Next, The cloaked pilot can’t hurt you. They can’t do anything until they decloak.

If he decloak you will be probably in 20s dead. But you are right…until decloak they can’t do anything…

[Stille_Nacht]

@Alice_Accord

Being able to be cloaked for hours on end and bringing down an entire fleet on someone at a whim with almost zero warning and zero risk isn’t good gameplay.

I’m not suggesting that they remove cloaking or hit it out of the park with the nerf bat, what I’m asking for is a way to find cloaked ships, or at least have a time limit on how long they can just sit there - it’s not engaging gameplay, it’s not fair gameplay and it’s absolutely abused by people.

@Alice_Accord

Right, I understand, but surely that pilot should have to be active on that account, playing the game if they want to just sit in a system all day, where there is one side of the coin there is the other and I don’t believe having someone in a system 23/7 to neutralise the local counter intel aspect should come without any risks whatsoever

100% what i mean too. Thank You!

@Algathas

This is completely wrong. You see them in local, and you can look at their killboard history. You are warned long before the drop comes that it is coming.

@Algathas

FIrst off, you can see them in local BEFORE they attack, so you can initiate various tactics against them

Sorry, But you are wrong!

We have 40-60 Systems with those perma AFK cloakys. FOR MONTHES! DAY FOR DAY.

And what’s even worse lately, the CCP is ■■■■■■■ with the local, so you can’t even trust them.

@Merin_Ryskin

AFK cloaking needs to exist

NO , just NO. AFK cloaking don’t needs to exists. Its ok, when one person roaming actively entire day cloaked, but not 40-60 Accounts staying AFK all the day.

[Xeux]

Yeah, in theory I could accept your complaint about AFK Cloaking. I just cannot imagine any viable way to stop AFK cloaking without causing a lot of other issues - especially for solo people roaming around huding from hostile fleets. Even if CCP did, somebody would just create a cloaking bot - which CCP would then have to police - and I don’t think CCP enjoys bot hunting.

Wouldn’t it be better to rabble rabble for nerfs to what these cloaked ships can do in the first 5-10 seconds after they decloak?

[Lonely_Man]

all ships but stealth bombers have a targeting delay after uncloaking.

[Xeux]

Yeah, but previously in the thread there were some issues raised, like interdiction bubbles . . . which confused me. In general I just don’t think complaining about cloaking itself makes any sense. These guys just don’t like what happens in the few seconds after the ship(s) decloak.

[Quor_Dresden]

Interesting topic. I admit I know little about life in null. I dont like the idea of non active afkers in any space. So maybe CCP should setup an afk disconnect like I have seen in other games. After 15 min of no inputs you are afk, another 15 min of being afk you are disconnected. Solves a few issues people have.

This may not give you the direct hunting of cloaked ships you want, but at least you know when they are active. Having far better Intel on when they are active I imagine would be very useful in both offence and defensive strategies.

After reading most of this thread I do agree with many that your issue seems to one of spies and problems with your alliance. You may be fighting a losing battle regardless of cloaked ships. Maybe time to move or change your alliance/ corp dynamic.

[Derath_Ellecon]

@Quor_Dresden

After 15 min of no inputs you are afk, another 15 min of being afk you are disconnected. Solves a few issues people have.

They would have to address other issues.

I have had legitimate times that I “AFK” cloaked for defensive purposes. For example exploring null in a “all in one” ishtar, and start getting hunted. An ishtar isn’t covert so you can’t really even move when cloaked. So it was either try and run and likely get caught on a gate, or safe up and cloak, then wait long enough that the hunters get tired and move on.

A good combat scanner can scan you down and kill you when you log off. That is because when you log out your ship uncloaks and does it’s e-warp before logging out.

So an afk disconnect that resulted in you losing your ship while logged out would be pretty bad.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Stille_Nacht

We have 40-60 Systems with those perma AFK cloakys. FOR MONTHES! DAY FOR DAY.

Boo hoo. Have you tried not sucking at EVE? You know, perhaps moving to one of the much more than 40-60 systems that they aren’t in? Or would that be unacceptable because it would lower your ISK/hour from farming in a system that you haven’t upgraded?

And what’s even worse lately, the CCP is ■■■■■■■ with the local, so you can’t even trust them.

This is a great thing. It means that you have to be prepared for an attack at all times instead of just watching local to see when you need to dock. Good players will continue to win, farmer trash will lose.

NO , just NO. AFK cloaking don’t needs to exists. Its ok, when one person roaming actively entire day cloaked, but not 40-60 Accounts staying AFK all the day.

I agree. This is totally unacceptable and we need to remove local to fix it. Once local is removed those 40-60 AFK players will disappear.

Solves a few issues people have.

While creating the massive problem that local is now a much more accurate warning tool for RMT botters and bot-like players to avoid PvP.

[Quor_Dresden]

All you have to do is wiggle your mouse while you wait in your cloaked ishtar to avoid going afk. People should be forced to remain at least somewhat active. Just have to make sure you log out safely.

It may also help to identify bots. Any accounts on for near 24hrs straight would be an easy red flag that some sort of botting is going on.

[Derath_Ellecon]

I had to sit there for 3 hours to out wait them. Yea that’s fun gameplay to sit there wiggling my mouse.

And there are legit reasons someone might need to step away for a bit. I’ve also gone afk cloaky while exploring in dangerous territory because someone in my family needed help. There was no place to dock and unsafe to log out with hostiles in the area.

I’m paying for this game I should be able to stay connected all day if I want. wanna idle time out alpha’s fine. The only games I can recall playing that had idle timeouts are free to play.

[z0ra_Berg]

@Alice_Accord

We have a specific issue in our space

Are you renters?

[Quor_Dresden]

@Derath_Ellecon

. The only games I can recall playing that had idle timeouts are free to play.

World of Warcraft does. ESO does I believe, and SWTOR also, just off the top of my head.

I didnt know there was a delay to that e-warp thingy when you logout in space that left you vulnerable for a bit. Fairly easy fix I imagine would be to have ships that are in space that disconnect disappear/ e-warp instantly unless you have a weapons timer, suspect, or any other timer that prevents particular actions when logging out. As cloaking does not it would be easy to cloak wait out any timers you may have then log out.