Main AFK cloaky thread

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Ridley_Rohan

Affecting players decisions and game play while not actually playing the game themself.

RAAAAWWWWLLLLLL

You win the bull ■■■■ artist award for the best spin on “they are afraid to undock” yet.

10/10

[Derath_Ellecon]

@Ridley_Rohan

Why are you clinging to the idea that the why is intentionally being hidden?

I’m not. I’m saying whatever the reasons isn’t relevant. Because it simply isn’t.

IF CCP didn’t want people to idle in game they would make an idle timeout.
IF CCP had some technical reasons they couldn’t, they could clearly put it in the EULA that excessive idle time could be subject to a warning and a ban.

But hey you want to speculate. So here goes. Given the history of EVE, back in the early days you literally only had a 24 hour queue. People would literally set alarms to wake up at all hours of the night to add things to their queue. Over time CCP has extended that, but it is clear that historically CCP values players having a reason to be logged into the game on a regular basis.

Beyond that I don’t have any outward data from CCP to honestly speculate.

@Ridley_Rohan

I am not and that was not directed at you.

OH absolutely you are. And this is a public thread. We are all talking together here.
You didn’t say

@Ridley_Rohan

Either AFK cloaking is ineffective or it is effective. Its a key point here.

You said

@Ridley_Rohan

Either an AFK cloaker can do something or they can do nothing. Choose.

(I clipped the relevant part for clarity).

You know full well the fundamental issue people have is the psychological warfare aspects of AFK cloaking. Yet you phase it as if the AFK cloaker is actually “doing” something.

It’s a subtle play on words, so I guess maybe you were just not being careful with your words. But they make a difference.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Salt_Foambreaker

You win the bull ■■■■ artist award for the best spin on “they are afraid to undock” yet.

I am not affected by AFK campers. I do not operate in low or null sec.

What is wrong with you anyway? If don’t want to discuss ideas then go away.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Derath_Ellecon

IF CCP didn’t want people to idle in game they would make an idle timeout.

Not if their current conception of that would add more problems than they are worth.

@Derath_Ellecon

IF CCP had some technical reasons they couldn’t, they could clearly put it in the EULA that excessive idle time could be subject to a warning and a ban.

Considering the nature of EVE players, toothless rules can be a very bad idea. I would not make any rules for this game I could not enforce. Oh, I know CCP has some toothless rules, but that does not mean they need to make the mistake consistently.

@Derath_Ellecon

it is clear that historically CCP values players having a reason to be logged into the game on a regular basis.

That may well be but that does not make it right or good absolutely. In the end though its probably not affecting player retention so in the cost/benefit analysis not doing anything might be to the benefit of CCP. But again, that does not make it right or good. Only a narcissist would think it does.

@Derath_Ellecon

Yet you phase it as if the AFK cloaker is actually “doing” something.

You are the one being obtuse here. Having a psychological effect and affecting the game play of others is “doing something” in broad sense.

[Neo_Bladedrifter]

arguing with players who doesn’t like you gameplay and think his way of playing makes him high and mighty is just like talking to a stupid rock.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Wander_Prian

I have the right to say what I want about this subject, just as you. I do not care if you feel insulted that I don’t agree with you or that I don’t care about you talking semantics.

I don’t give a single crap for your agreement. I just want you to stop repeating the lie that I said it was an actual exploit, when what I said was more nuanced, like, its on par with an exploit. It amounts to an exploit is what I said. I don’t care if you agree with that conclusion, just stop mislabeling it.

[Teckos_Pech]

@Ridley_Rohan

Affecting players decisions and game play while not actually playing the game themself. That’s BS even if it does negatively affect botters. I call that an exploit and BS even if you call it tea and crumpets.

Ahh yes, Schrödinger’s cloaker. He isn’t there when you want to call it bad, but he is there when people point out an AFK player cannot harm you.

[Teckos_Pech]

Ridley Rohan:

@Ridley_Rohan

I call that [AFK Cloaking] an exploit and BS even if you call it tea and crumpets.

Also Ridley Rohan:

@Ridley_Rohan

I just want you to stop repeating the lie that I said it was an actual exploit…

[Teckos_Pech]

@Ridley_Rohan

Further I think CCP put that in the list of exploits as “not an exploit” because they are not going to punish people for it, not because it isn’t tantamount to an exploit, but because it is not something they will ban people for. In other words its not “an official exploit” even if it basically is an exploit.

I didn’t say it was an exploit you poopieheads! But it is an exploit. Or tantamount to one. Or I don’t know, but it is something poopieheads do! So it should be an exploit, but CCP won’t enforce because I say so! But I am not calling it an exploit…even though really it is!!!

There, take that!!!

Now I am stomping off to the kitchen to get a sandwich! But I logged out so you can accuse me of exploiting!!!

[Ridley_Rohan]

You are cherry picking and ignoring other posts and its a form of trolling. My first post mentioning this was:

@Ridley_Rohan

We are talking about preventing or lessening what amounts to an exploit.

If English is not your first language, that’s one thing. But I don’t think that’s it. I already explained all this. If I believed it was a simply an exploit, I would have said “Its an exploit” and not used those extra words.

Also, when I said “I call that an exploit” I was speaking for me, not CCP or anyone else. Thus the words “I call that…”

Again if English is not your first language…well…you should be more cautious in any case.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Teckos_Pech

Ahh yes, Schrödinger’s cloaker. He isn’t there when you want to call it bad, but he is there when people point out an AFK player cannot harm you.

I would agree if AFK cloakers were AFK cloakers forever. But it seems you do not understand some basic concepts such as time and change.

By your logic VMAK cloakers also cannot hurt you. Well? Are you going to say they can? Target locks cannot be acquired while cloaked, drones go offline, and smart bombs don’t even activate so explain.

[Derath_Ellecon]

@Ridley_Rohan

You are cherry picking and ignoring other posts and its a form of trolling.

Pot meet kettle…

[Dravick_Afterthought]

@Teckos_Pech

Now I am stomping off to the kitchen to get a sandwich! But I logged out so you can accuse me of exploiting!!!

You forgot to unsub your 57 accounts…

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Ridley_Rohan

I am not affected by AFK campers. I do not operate in low or null sec.

What is wrong with you anyway? If don’t want to discuss ideas then go away.

Gee, a high sec care bear, shocked? No

[Neo_Bladedrifter]

@Salt_Foambreaker

high sec

LOL. what’s wrong playing in Higsec. Highsec is a dangerous place. Are you even checking the Highsec zkill. Some nullsec bear who thinks they are tough again.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

Hit a sore nerve eh groupie?

THE TOPIC is about null, THE POINT was the poster doesn’t even play in the region being discussed.

But I Suppose, there could be care bears in high sec that are afraid to undock unless they are alone in the system, I’ll give you that

[Skriven_Penshar]

@Dravick_Afterthought

@Teckos_Pech

Now I am stomping off to the kitchen to get a sandwich! But I logged out so you can accuse me of exploiting!!!

You forgot to unsub your 57 accounts…

And can I have your stuff?

[Skriven_Penshar]

@Salt_Foambreaker

THE TOPIC is about null

Technically it’s about AFK cloaky. Hence the thread title ^^

[Neo_Bladedrifter]

Fair Enough. I play everywhere. Highsec, wormhole, null where I’m not belong with. I can’t sit in Null space controlled by CAS because I’m bored there.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

The discussion is only applicable in null.

The root of the discussion is and always has been “farmers in null who won’t undock unless they are alone in a system”.

That is why this trash thread exists, to give those farmers a place to whine.

CCP recognized years ago, (this is not the first of these threads, they get closed at 10k and a new one is started), that the basis of the complaint is simply cowardice and that really if those players are afraid they should play in high sec instead.